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trackwhack

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Are you just going to ignore the fact that virtually everyone's growth is declining? It's not a uniquely Chinese phenomenon. Last I checked, India, Japan, South Korea, North America, and virtually all of Europe are facing the exact same situation of stagnant growth. The only exceptions have been resource appendages like Australia and Brazil.
Agreed, but my point had to do with the lame ass reasoning. The right way to put it would be China growth is dropping, we are at the mercy of the world economy. Instead if you portray falling growth as some major achievement, it sounds daft.
 

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Agreed, but my point had to do with the lame ass reasoning. The right way to put it would be China growth is dropping, we are at the mercy of the world economy. Instead if you portray falling growth as some major achievement, it sounds daft.
Well, there's a great difference between incremental declines in growth versus sudden collapse in growth. That's what the whole soft-landing vs hard-landing debate was over. I think what cir really meant (and if he didn't, he should have) was that a soft-landing has been achieved. If it was a hard-landing, China's growth would've collapsed to <5% over the period of a single year.
 

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Well, there's a great difference between incremental declines in growth versus sudden collapse in growth. That's what the whole soft-landing vs hard-landing debate was over. I think what cir really meant (and if he didn't, he should have) was that a soft-landing has been achieved. If it was a hard-landing, China's growth would've collapsed to <5% over the period of a single year.
So you dont see the stupidity in his claims of China being the driver of global growth rather than the fact that China is dependent on global growth? You dont see how in excess of 60% of the growth in GDP over the last decade has been driven by growth in exports and the vulnerability thus... He made a stupid arrogant statement and I called his bluff.
 

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So you dont see the stupidity in his claims of China being the driver of global growth rather than the fact that China is dependent on global growth? You dont see how in excess of 60% of the growth in GDP over the last decade has been driven by growth in exports and the vulnerability thus... He made a stupid arrogant statement and I called his bluff.
Well, the real story is a lot more nuanced than that. China is both dependent on, and a driver of global growth. China's exports are dependent on global (non-Chinese) growth while global imports into China are dependent on China's growth. It's a two-way street.

Eliminating the export industry is not really a solution to anything. The real trick is to find a balance between fulfilling global demand while simultaneously generating an adequate amount of domestic demand.
 

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Well, the real story is a lot more nuanced than that. China is both dependent on, and a driver of global growth. China's exports are dependent on global (non-Chinese) growth while global imports into China are dependent on China's growth. It's a two-way street.

Eliminating the export industry is not really a solution to anything. The real trick is to find a balance between fulfilling global demand while simultaneously generating an adequate amount of domestic demand.
You dont have to explain that to me. You have to explain that to cir. He was the one making the tall claims.
 

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"Macau's per capita GDP tops US$66,000 in 2011

Xinhua | 2012-03-17 | 10:42 (GMT+8)

Macau's GDP for 2011 reached 292.1 billion patacas (US$36.4 billion), with a per capita GDP of 531,723 patacas (US$66,311), the city's Statistics and Census Service said March 16.

Macau's GDP rose by 20.7% in real terms last year and economic growth for the fourth quarter of last year stood at 17.5% in real terms, according to the figures.

The area per capita GDP rose by 133,652 patacas (US$16,715) year-on-year, an increase of 33.57%.

The statistics authorities said that robust growth in exports of services and the escalating domestic demand are the principal forces driving economic expansion. Exports of gaming services surged by 34.6% and private consumption expenditures increased by 10.2%. However, merchandise exports remained sluggish, declining by 2.9%.

The increase in exports of tourism and gaming services pushed net exports of goods and services to surge by 27.9%, bringing its relative importance to GDP to 58.8% in 2011, up from 55.9% in 2010."

Macau's per capita GDP tops US$66,000 in 2011|Data|News|WantChinaTimes.com

Macau's per capita GDP is likely to surpass the $100,000 mark before 2015.

Now that's a good role model for the rest of China.
 

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Macau's per capita GDP is likely to surpass the $100,000 mark before 2015.

Now that's a good role model for the rest of China.
In fact it can and shall be replicated somewhere else in China, to generate revenue and jobs. Chinese are notoriously addicted to gambling on the earth, flooding to casino everywhere incl. neighboring Vietnam, N.Korea, Malaysia or bordering towns in Myanmar/Lao. Here only one visa is granted to Macau in order to curb outflow of gambling tourists (maybe changed? already?)

Now that additionally Singapore has opened up for gaming industry and Matsu of Taiwan is likely to have a referendum for that, China should simply follow suit to hold back money.
 

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Another reason gambling is big business, is because it's an effective way to launder dirty money, and a clean way to make bribes.
 

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Besides GDP per capita on paper makes little sense for Macau. Just imagine %% of revenue streams actually goes to Stanley Ho family plus a few other tycoons. The top 4 families don't only hold the lion's share of the economy but also manipulate politics.
 

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Farmers Retool to Feed China

Dairies in California Make Powdered Milk Last Longer for Growing Middle Class

California Farmers Retool to Feed China - WSJ.com

BY VAUHINI VARA
VISALIA, Calif.—California's agricultural Central Valley has thrived for decades on Americans' seemingly endless appetites. Now, with U.S. market growth slowing, farmers are going after a different group of consumers: middle-class Chinese attracted to Western fare like milk and almonds.

Consider Dave Bush, operating chief of California Dairies Inc. Mr. Bush recently discovered that the dairy cooperative, the nation's second-largest, wasn't exporting very much to China, whose population is now the world's biggest consumer of milk powder. So he invested $35 million in machines here that process milk into powder to meet Chinese and other Asian requirements.

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U.S. coal exports to China may double in 2012: Xcoal

U.S. coal exports to China may double in 2012: Xcoal - baltimoresun.com



BEIJING (Reuters) - U.S. coal exports to China could more than double to over 12 million tonnes in 2012 thanks to depressed freight rates and a fall in domestic demand in the United States, the chief of top U.S. coal exporter Xcoal Energy & Resources said.

The expected increase in coal shipments could further push down coal prices in Asia where a supply glut following a deluge from the United States and Colombia has forced prices to slump recently.

Australian Newcastle-grade coal has dropped $10 a tonne since end-February, the Indonesian coal reference price is down to its lowest in 16 months and South African coal has shed $5.

"Exports to China could reach over 12 million tonnes this year based on the annualized numbers," Chief Executive Ernie Thrasher told Reuters in an interview on Wednesday.

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Automation of Chinese factories takes off

Correspondents Report - Automation of Chinese factories takes off 22/04/2012



ELIZABETH JACKSON: China's economic boom has long been driven by a seemingly limitless labour force producing goods at a cost the rest of the world can't match.

But an increasing push for higher wages, a desire for better quality products and companies sensitive to accusations of exploitation, are all leading to the purchase of record numbers of industrial robots.

The automation of Chinese factories is happening at such a rate, that China is now forecast to take over Japan and South Korea as the world's biggest market for robots.

And that's all part of a much larger economic shift Beijing is planning.

Liam Cochrane reports.

LIAM COCHRANE: When it comes to industrial automation Japan is still king with about 300,000 operational robots. But it's China that's booming.

GUDRUN LITZENBERGER: China is the most rapidly growing market in the world since a couple of years.

LIAM COCHRANE: Gudrun Litzenberger is the General Secretary of the International Federation of Robotics, based in Germany.

She says China has around 60,000 industrial robots, mostly supplied by companies based in Europe and Japan, but that's changing.

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The great rise of China as tourist destination

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CHINA is set to become the world's biggest travel destination by 2016 as it lifts travel controls and invests in roads, railways and airlines. The United Nations World Tourism Organisation predicts China will overtake France and the United States on its list of the destinations which receive the most tourists each year.

France had nearly 79 million tourist arrivals in 2010, the US had nearly 61 million and China had nearly 56 million.

But China is set to rise up the ranks as travellers flock to historic sites such as the Great Wall of China and explore its diverse culture and exotic culinary offerings.

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Apple's China syndrome

Apple's China syndrome

Not long after the iPhone came out, sceptics questioned how much appeal the costly device and related wireless service would have in countries like China with lower income levels.

This week, Apple provided the answer: A lot.

The company reported that soaring sales of the iPhone, especially in China, helped Apple nearly double its profit in the company's fiscal second quarter.

Apple said it sold 35.1 million iPhones in the quarter, an 88 per cent increase from the period a year ago. It sold 11.8 million iPads, more than double the number it sold in the same quarter last year.

"It was an incredible quarter in China," Timothy Cook, Apple's chief executive, said in a conference call with Wall Street analysts. "It is mind-boggling that we could do this well."

For the quarter that ended March 31, the company reported net income of $US11.62 billion, compared with $US5.99 billion in the period a year earlier.

Apple's revenue was $US39.19 billion, up from $US24.67 billion a year ago.

Cook said that Apple's quarterly revenue from China was $US7.9 billion, about 20 per cent of total company revenue. Furthermore, that was triple Apple's China sales in the same period a year ago. In contrast, Apple's China sales during its last fiscal year were about 12 per cent of total revenue. Two years ago, Apple sales in China were 2 per cent.

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In Southern China, A Thriving African Neighborhood

In Southern China, A Thriving African Neighborhood : NPR

China and Africa have become major trading partners in recent years. Chinese companies have made a big push into Africa seeking raw materials like oil. And enterprising Africans now travel to China to buy cheap goods at the source and ship them home. Today, the city of Guangzhou, near Hong Kong, is home to some 10,000 Africans, the largest such community in China. The city's Little Africa neighborhood is a world unto itself, with restaurants specializing in African food to money changers who deal in the Nigerian currency. But doing business in the city's informal economy is full of risks.

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China's domestic aviation industry just got a new boost from AVIC:

ARJ21-700 AC104 flew to Urumqi for natural icing flight test.

ARJ21-700 AC104 successfully flew to Urumqi Diwopu International Airport on March 3rd, 2012. Then, the aircraft conduct a familiarity flight test plus ground-air joint test, and two dry air anti-ice compliance flight tests on March 6th and 7th, 2012,. The test results were satisfying, and all the systems of the aircraft operated normally with stable performance. According to the plan, ARJ21-700 AC104 would carry out in Urumqi natural icing flight test, performance stability flight test.


 

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Deal boosts Shanghai's world aviation hub aspirations

Shanghai's goal of becoming a globally important aviation hub by 2015 has been brought closer by a deal signed between the Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC) and the eastern Chinese municipality's government here on Thursday.

The strategic cooperation agreement aiming to speed up Shanghai's civil aviation development will usher in a new era for the municipality's aviation industry, said CAAC officials at the signing ceremony.

According to the agreement, efforts will be made to ensure the safety of air traffic, improve aviation services and promote research, development and manufacturing of large passenger aircraft.

By 2015, the two airports in Shanghai, Hongqiao and Pudong, should be able to handle 100 million passengers and 5.5 million tonnes of cargo annually, thus becoming a key node in the global aviation network, officials said.

Specific objectives were also provided for the two airports in the agreement.

Shanghai Pudong International Airport should be a key aviation hub in the Asia-Pacific region and a leading cargo airport worldwide, while Shanghai Hongqiao International Airport should be a highly passenger-friendly facility.

Civil aviation development is a priority for China during the 12th Five-Year Plan period (2011-2015). The country plans to build 70 new airports, relocate 15 airports and renovate 101 others nationwide and buy more than 300 planes annually, according to the plan.
 

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Small-Jet Makers Flock to China As Sector Shrinks Elsewhere, Growing Market Outweighs Competitive Risks for U.S. Manufacturers.

U.S. makers of small aircraft increasingly are teaming up with Chinese companies, deciding that the need to ply the growing market outweighs the risk that their partners will become rivals.

In the last few months, business-plane makers Cessna Aircraft Co. and Hawker Beechcraft Corp. have discussed joint ventures in the country. Industry supplier Honeywell International Inc. HON signed several initial agreements last year. Non-U.S. companies are moving in, too: Brazil's Embraer SA ERJ last month said it would consider transforming a Chinese joint-venture plant for small commercial jets to turn out executive planes.

China has grown more attractive as the industry otherwise has shrunk. Honeywell in October estimated that 600 to 650 new business jets would be delivered industrywide last year, down from 732 in 2010 because of global economic weakness. Cessna, a unit of Textron Inc., TXT +0.60%expects China to become the world's No. 2 business-aircraft market, after the U.S., within roughly 15 years.

"Everyone's jockeying for position now, trying to figure out"¦'Who do I partner with? How do I get the right access?' " says Briand Greer, Asian-Pacific president of Honeywell Aerospace.

Cessna last month signed an agreement with a unit of state-controlled Aviation Industry Corp. of China to establish a joint venture in the western city of Chengdu, where Cessna plans to build midsize business jets and codevelop a larger jet. The Wichita, Kan., company also reached an agreement with AVIC, as the Chinese company is known, for broader cooperation on general aviation, a category that excludes military and commercial aircraft.

"If you have the ability to produce local content in the market, it gives you the ability to understand your customers better, to react quicker," says Cessna Chief Executive Scott Ernest.

Shawn Vick, an executive vice president at Wichita-based Hawker Beechcraft, said at a recent news briefing in Shanghai that his company had "entertained discussions with four separate entities for joint-venture activities inside China."

Labor costs also are part of China's lure. "Our competitors in Brazil or in Switzerland can charge lower labor rates than we can in the U.S. and labor is a big component of building the airplane," says Sean McGeough, Hawker Beechcraft's president for Europe, the Mideast, Africa and Asia-Pacific.

The aircraft maker, suffering from a long slump in demand for business jets and uncertainty over military spending, recently hired a turnaround specialist and bankruptcy counsel.

Honeywell, based in Morristown, N.J., reached five agreements last year with Chinese aerospace companies, including one for the development of a general-aviation cockpit. Honeywell also makes aircraft engines and other aerospace products.

China's business and general-aviation sector is in its infancy. Honeywell's Mr. Greer estimates that the country has about 1,000 business and general-aviation aircraft, compared with roughly 225,000 in the U.S.

But industry experts expect China's number to rise with the country's wealth and as Beijing relaxes aviation regulations.

Setting up joint ventures, which generally are required by Beijing for foreign companies establishing significant operations in the country, can be troublesome. Such partnerships have given a technological lift to Chinese companies in other industries, such as automobiles.

Aerospace executives say they need to keep up the pace of technological development to stay ahead of would-be Chinese rivals. "The only way you can really stay away ahead of the [intellectual-property] curve here is you continue to innovate faster than the things you're bringing to market," Mr. Greer says.

Cessna's Mr. Ernest says Volkswagen AG's VOW.XE Audi unit and General Motors Co. GM have succeeded in navigating such shoals."It's not any different from what Audi's done or what GM's done," he says, referring to his company's joint-venture plans.

The competitive threat from China also is rising as the country builds its own ability to take on global aerospace rivals. Last June, an AVIC unit acquired Minnesota-based private-aircraft maker Cirrus Industries Inc., giving the Chinese company access to a line of light propeller aircraft and a small jet under development. Outside of business and general aviation, state-owned Commercial Aircraft Corp. of China is developing a regional jet to compete with planes made by Embraer and Canada's Bombardier Inc. BBD.B.T Comac, as the Chinese company is known, also is developing a single-aisle commercial jetliner that could compete with Boeing Co.'s 737 line and the A320 family from the Airbus unit of European Aeronautic Defence & Space Co.
Despite such challenges, foreign companies still are looking at deals.

Gulfstream Aerospace Corp. President Larry Flynn says his company has "not in the least ruled out China for manufacturing capabilities." Gulfstream, a unit of General Dynamics Corp., GD currently focuses its investment in China on building up maintenance, repair and overhaul capacity.
 

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