India-China Border conflict

[prasadr14]

What happened to theatrization of Indian armed forces. No new news from august last year. Is it dead?



1962 says hi and not to mention never-ending salami slicing. The day they see weakness ,they will teach lesson until then it will be built up upon built up.

salami slicing is not same as war.
And those days of said slicing are long gone.
1962 they came, pissed and went back. And they went back for a good reason.

If you or anyone thinks China have even 1% chance of winning an actual war against India over Himalayas, you lot need to go and read lot of books on warfare.

 

[mokoman]

The incumbent govt rarely comments on Def/NatSec issues. From chinkus at the border to the mysterious 'disappearances' of Khalis and from bumping off handlers in pakiland to the increased CT Ops against Naxals/Maoists - barely a few pressers here and there and that is about it. Even Doklam/surgical strike/Balakot was like that only.

surgical strike videos was released 2 years after the strike , delaying for opspec makes sense but 2 years ? . doklam details were shared in parliament - video of stand off being out for years . balakot i think people most people know reason.

army clearly wants to release things , which is y the tawang clash older video was released . govt is clearly pressing down on them . at some point govt will realize that there is not point playing soft for chinese sake .

 

[cereal killer]

salami slicing is not same as war.
And those days of said slicing are long gone.
1962 they came, pissed and went back. And they went back for a good reason.

If you or anyone thinks China have even 1% chance of winning an actual war against India over Himalayas, you lot need to go and read lot of books on warfare.

Both sides stand no chance if they try a aggressive approach... In a defensive posture both sides would be nearly impossible to take down.
Though Chinese will always have a distinct advantage due to its superiority in rocket artillery and missile capability and sheer numbers of it.
That's the only actual technological advantage I'll have to give them.

 

[prasadr14]

Both sides stand no chance if they try a aggressive approach... In a defensive posture both sides would be nearly impossible to take down.
Though Chinese will always have a distinct advantage due to its superiority in rocket artillery and missile capability and sheer numbers of it.
That's the only actual technological advantage I'll have to give them.

Agree on India attack over Himalayas failing spectacularly as well.

Most both side can afford is salami slicing, that's all.
Anything beyond that would be a spectacular stale-mate with piles of bodies in snow.

 

[patriots]

If current situation continues, then expect more skirmishes in coming days

 

[Freedom Thru Firepower]

New Division to be raised for eastern Ladakh.

Indian Army Likely to Raise New Division for Eastern Ladakh – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

 

[omaebakabaka]

this is a chinese road . tunnel they build for this is 2nd highest altitude , very close to shinku la tunnel in ladakh which i think is now the highest in world



sure true but u still need troop rotation , large amount supplies being brought in to TIbet . its not like there are any factories in Tibet itself.

road transport dont have the kind of load capacity like rail does. transporting something heavy like tanks via road will be slow . if the road network has bridges over gorges then thats also a problem for chinese.

Same weak nodal points exist on our side too...its nonsense to think that tibet is far, so take out a bridge and we can capture Tibet....who in military simplifies like this. It is not an easy thing to take out a bridge even in normal geography, not to mention they will protect with heavy AD any critical points. This is utter over simplification....what counts is production and replacements. We can't even strike something close and you are talking about taking their logistics out like a walk in park. I don't think so....their advantage is many times on replacement side and that is our weakness.

 

[omaebakabaka]

You have too much confidence in Chinese, without realising that if they loose once, their prestige is in the dust. Chances of them loosing are greater now than 10 years back. Our logistics, our guns and our military management is far superior than theirs. Theirs is based on copied and stolen technology which fails at the critical time.

We can bleat all we want, we are qualitatively nor quantitatively beat them in any area yet, qualitative edge is in some import equipment but barely replaceable and also in our training but its not something that will deliver across the entire border length. THeir logistics stretch argument is bs....anyone knows their rail and road network to west....we are 40 years late in arguing about difficulty in moving forces from east to west. We need heavy production rates and that too indigenous.

As always we will see rationing of ammo to our forces and going for another rezangla, to fight a war with China is like Ukraine 2 times, and we need massive production of all sorts of arms and ability to find cheap solutions and improvisation which comes with expeirence in having war science at a practical level.

 

[Crazywithmath]

at some point govt will realize that there is not point playing soft for chinese sake .

I don't think it is exclusive to the standoff with chinkus - it has been their default posture since 2014 (be it pak, can, chn or uncle Sam). Their terrible PR used to amaze me years back (surgical strike, Balakot etc) but these days, I have gotten used to it. They just don't care about negative PR/propaganda (for reasons unknown to us all). An incompetent opposition does not help either...

 

[Hari Sud]

We can bleat all we want, we are qualitatively nor quantitatively beat them in any area yet, qualitative edge is in some import equipment but barely replaceable and also in our training but its not something that will deliver across the entire border length. THeir logistics stretch argument is bs....anyone knows their rail and road network to west....we are 40 years late in arguing about difficulty in moving forces from east to west. We need heavy production rates and that too indigenous.

As always we will see rationing of ammo to our forces and going for another rezangla, to fight a war with China is like Ukraine 2 times, and we need massive production of all sorts of arms and ability to find cheap solutions and improvisation which comes with expeirence in having war science at a practical level.

??????

 

[Master Chief]

New 72 Division to be raised under Northern command for Ladakh. Initially planned under 17 MSC..

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indianexpress.com

 

[srevster]

??????

Phd in dhoti shivering

 

[Blademaster]

In order for this division to be highly effective we need more helicopters and lightweight 155 mm tubes and mobile 155 howitzers and not to mention long range HIMARs type rockets.

 

[omaebakabaka]

??????

Didn't think so.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

In order for this division to be highly effective we need more helicopters and lightweight 155 mm tubes and mobile 155 howitzers and not to mention long range HIMARs type rockets.

You have everything except longer range himars (in development cycle should hear some news by this year's end) all Army needs is to place an order for LUH and Artyy

 

[Blademaster]

You have everything except longer range himars (in development cycle should hear some news by this year's end) all Army needs is to place an order for LUH and Artyy

And Pralay.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

And Pralay.

PInakas would be good for the border. Still don’t know why more drones are not being utilized???
This region is going to be difficult for armor and artillery even more so for the Chinese invaders who will have to fight from lower to higher ground. The invaders will need 3 -10 times the men and resources as the defending force. It can be a spectacular slaughter as they fight toward higher ground. With the Chinese having little to no mountain warfare experience I do not know what they are trying to prove???

 

[Blademaster]

PInakas would be good for the border. Still don’t know why more drones are not being utilized???
This region is going to be difficult for armor and artillery even more so for the Chinese invaders who will have to fight from lower to higher ground. The invaders will need 3 -10 times the men and resources as the defending force. It can be a spectacular slaughter as they fight toward higher ground. With the Chinese having little to no mountain warfare experience I do not know what they are trying to prove???

We need the Pralays to saturate bomb the helipads and logistic nodes and prevent reinforcements.

 

[Azaad]

Very interesting discussion on the state of affairs in the Sino US , Sino Russian & Sino Indian relationship as well as the Indo US & Indo Russian relationship. As always Jaidev Ranade comes up with juicy information & startling analysis , you're unlikely to find elsewhere .

Must watch !!

 

[LETHALFORCE]

We need the Pralays to saturate bomb the helipads and logistic nodes and prevent reinforcements.

India China News: Amid border row with China, India moves to boost conventional missile arsenal | India News - Times of India

India News: NEW DELHI: India is now stepping on the gas to produce both short-range and long-range conventional missiles for major non-nuclear strikes against ene.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Amid Row With China, India Moves To Boost Conventional Missile Arsenal


There is also a long range cruise missile but Indian govt has not given any details. IMO it might be completed or very close to induction???

we need to cut off the Chinese supply lines as early
As possible . From what I have read there is only one major road on the Chinese side. Destroying this road and trapping the Chinese . Is a top priority.