India Pakistan conflict along IB and LoC (July 2021 onwards)

[jai jaganath]

Ghanta hoga kuch. Army ne ATAGS ki to ma chuda ke rakha hai and they were supposed to raise 22 additional regiments of Pinaka MLRS by 2026 but woha bhi koi progress nehi hua. As of now, even the Pakis are dominating us in terms of artillery of both types. Mai hota to kab ka suicide kar chuka hota.

That's why, they are showing miserable and pathetic situation on TV.

80 Billion defence budget still we have Adh-nangi equipped UN armed forces.

Rajnath Singh is a stupid DM. These UN generals are making him money everyday.

Things are far worse in artillery segment
If 307 orders comes before 20-20 athos would be an achievement
Small amount of atags will be procured but not in thousands for which we have requirements
It's different topic whether we need towed or not
But definitely small nos of athos will come and they will participate in 400 tgs requirement and once successful they might be procured in 1000s even replacing 105mm guns
The whole delay in artillery mordernization is due to govt's rigidity over indigenous products
Once screwdrivergiri is sanctioned we can see rapid mordernization
Just thing what's gonna happen to BF mgs

Anyways @Arad Operator can shed more light over it

 

[Overlord]

370 bhi usi nei khatam kiya
50 saal sei Jo rayta falya tha usi nei smeta hai

Aur Pakistan mein ghus ghus ke bhi wahi maar Raha hai .

Question is did that deter pakis from any misadventure ?

 

[Kumaoni]

370 bhi usi nei khatam kiya
50 saal sei Jo rayta falya tha usi nei smeta hai

Aur Pakistan mein ghus ghus ke bhi wahi maar Raha hai .

Muhhh article 370

what has changed bud? I don’t remember routine ambushes in poonch back in 2018.

 

[Kumaoni]

What India. needs:
Armored vehicles with a preferable HMG turret
What india procures:
Apache helos

 

[Overlord]

Then only option we've left is to use our Navy . Pakistan is a net importer of food,fuel & heavy machinery & is very susceptible to disruptions in these areas .

As one member said nothing without declaration of war, neither we had any "bhaade ka tattus" like yemeni inbreds to target their whatever imports through cheap drones.
Also "Dhandojeets" will shiver even at the thought of this because "muh SaNcTiOnS" if caught

 

[DumbPilot]

What India. needs:
Armored vehicles with a preferable HMG turret
What india procures:
Apache helos

We need both.

 

[WARREN SS]

Muhhh article 370

what has changed bud? I don’t remember routine ambushes in poonch back in 2018.

Lot change

Terrorists were roaming non
Lal chawk
Remember
Buran wani death

Military station were besieged
By terrorist

Military now controls
All of Kashmir and J&K police doesn't have political control

Poonch was hot bed of terrorist infiltration it was always hot bed since 90's

Go through terrain before judging

 

[cereal killer]

Considering 1. our two front situation, 2. Paralyzed modernisation and 3. dhoti shivering Indian politicians... Pakistan has conventional superiority over India in land domain & is neck to neck in aerial domain... in a conflict that lasts upto a week.

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How to stop these attacks?

No amount of surgical strikes or Artillery strikes will stop these... they can only keep some calm for 3-4 months.

Terror attacks(sub conventional) methods are being employed and will continue to be employed until we build back our conventional superiority... NOBODY TALKS ON THESE LINES

OUTSPEND THEM... The approach of politicians and bureaucrats to provide the military with minimum required numbers of each hardware and then procurement of these minimum numbers also taking yrs has done great damage.

The only single arm of land forces where we have a superiority is attack helicopters.

Rest talk about any other arm... tube/rocket Artillery, EW, Armour... they have either closed the gaps or gained numerical superiority.

Build back the numbers with state of the art Indigenous systems... that's the only solution.

Always thought India lacks a dedicated Rocket force contingent but didn't knew things were this bad... And only IAF gets highlighted most of the time.

Aur logo ne PoK ke khaab paal rakhe hai

 

[cereal killer]

Lot change

Terrorists were roaming non
Lal chawk
Remember
Buran wani death

Military station were besieged
By terrorist

Military now controls
All of Kashmir and J&K police doesn't have political control

Poonch was hot bed of terrorist infiltration it was always hot bed since 90's

Go through terrain before judging

You are forgetting the Hindu targeted killings in Kashmir valley my friend... Hindus literally had to flee from their workplaces to Jammu.
Actual peace Kashmir saw was between 2006-2016 I reckon.

 

[WARREN SS]

Question is did that deter pakis from any misadventure ?

Do Iranians deter from Americans or there mighty blue water Navy
From targeting there military station in Iraq
Or in sea

Terrorist attacked Moscow

What did Russians do exactly ??

That means US military is incompetent

Asymmetric warfare is a slow bleeding war

And only long patient strategic minds prevail such wars

Any type of Engagement or small war is
Befinicial for Pakistan

And Loss for are Economic growth


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[iNorthernerOn9]

Always thought India lacks a dedicated Rocket force contingent but didn't knew things were this bad... And only IAF gets highlighted most of the time.

Aur logo ne PoK ke khaab paal rakhe hai

Actually I was the most rabid "capture PoK" guy on this forum with 1088 ready-made ways to capture PoK.

but with reading in depth about our capabilities vs their and the prevalent attitude on our side... I don't preach it any longer.

Our mounted gun system is in files... They have inducted 236 and placed orders for additional 196.

Our MBRLs max range is 90km... they have went past 300km.

80% of our procurements are of emergency nature with limitations in quantity.

The 🤏 '36' Rafales, '22' Apaches, '15' Chinooks 🤏 etc. can only make a difference on the Rajpath(Kartavyapath)... not on the battlefield.

 

[jai jaganath]

Actually I was the most rabid "capture PoK" guy on this forum with 1088 methods to capture PoK.

but with reading in depth about our capabilities vs their and the prevalent attitude on our side... I don't preach it any longer.

Our mounted gun system is in files... They have inducted 236 and placed orders for additional 196.

Our MBRLs max range is 90km... they have went past 300km.

80% of our procurements are of emergency nature with limitations in quantity.

Even mgs may face atags treatment
Athos mgs varient has a good chance too

 

[jai jaganath]

https://www.business-standard.com/india-news/making-progress-on-theaterisation-of-military-rajnath-singh-124050500134_1.html

 

[ezsasa]

Actual peace Kashmir saw was between 2006-2016 I reckon.

the price that was paid for that "peace" was mainstreaming terrorists in delhi elite circles.
that peace was broken in dec 2014 itself, there will be a press conference to their special invitee journos by DG ISI at that time saying Indians are lobbing 30-40 thousand mortars daily which is more than bangladesh war.

push back from lutyens for breaking that "peace" is the burhan wani episode, narrative wise.

there is no win-win scenario when negotiating with terrorists, there is only win-lose and lose-lose.

 

[Kumaoni]

Lot change

Terrorists were roaming non
Lal chawk
Remember
Buran wani death

Military station were besieged
By terrorist

Military now controls
All of Kashmir and J&K police doesn't have political control

Poonch was hot bed of terrorist infiltration it was always hot bed since 90's

Go through terrain before judging

Military brought it down via its own blood sweat and tears. Not article 370s revocation. The conflict is at the exact same tempo as it was since 2007 than it is right now

 

[Kumaoni]

We need both.

Getting scammed by american conartitss for 10 billion is very typical of the pajeet defense ministry.

 

[WARREN SS]

Military brought it down via its own blood sweat and tears. Not article 370s revocation. The conflict is at the exact same tempo as it was since 2007 than it is right now

Before 370

J&K
Political parties hounded Military command put cases on them and harassed them

 

[Kumaoni]

Before 370

J&K
Political parties hounded Military command put cases on them and harassed them

All political changes. The tactical changes have yet to be seen.

Although the blame is largely on the UNgenrols. I’d least expect modijiii to speak against them.

 

[Overlord]

So if some foreign country is not able to deter attacks, then we also won't do what stupid logic is this.
Now if you're so keen on comparison -

Do Iranians deter from Americans or there mighty blue water Navy
From targeting there military station in Iraq
Or in sea
That means US military is incompetent

Do Iranians have capabilities to attack amreeki mainland, will see when that happens, last time they attacked USN, the so called blue water navy sunk the trawlers of iran. (Op praying mantis).

What did Russians do exactly ??

Lol ruskies arrested those terrorist & made one of them eat his own ear. You want me to post that NSFW video here. Last time when some shitlamic terrorist killed their troops, they literally flattened their stronghold & humbled one of the most radical terrorist (chechens), pakroaches are nothing in comparison.
Also Ruskies are literally crushing cuckraine so hard that they had to mobilise the old and women & beg for ammunition.
Russian govt didn't wait for the creation of emboldened paki like garrison state on their border.

Any type of Engagement or small war is
Befinicial for Pakistan

And Loss for are Economic growt

Ah yes the good old "dhandomaxxing, wHaT AbOuT EcOnOmY saar"

No-one is asking for a war, but for f*ck sake get rid of stupid ceasefire & start shelling pakroaches, that will put the strain on their already dwindling economy & ammo reserves.

Seems baboons & their overlords are so cucked by the specific country to sign a peace deal in lieu of jet engines & economic investment, normal soldier life be damned

 

[NutCracker]

IB is now favourite for infiltration ?

If a tango was actually lurking in the bushes. He would take out half a dozen of them before going down.