India Pakistan conflict along IB and LoC (July 2021 onwards)

[Jimih]

Have to identify this house.

Whom it belongs to, whether belongs to a civilian or govt property.

This house sitting right on the bend where IAF convoy was ambushed.

Pakistani terrorists getting full support from local civilians/OGWs. No doubt about that.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Have to identify this house.

Whom it belongs to, whether belongs to civilian or govt property.

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This house sitting right in the bend where IAF convoy was ambushed.

Pakistani terrorists getting full support from local civilians/OGWs. No doubt about that.

Their was never a doubt about that few months ago when OSINT released pics of a few terrorists for whom search op was going on we later came to know they stayed in local mosque all night hiding. We know, Army knows, political leadership knows everyone knows but what to do after that none of them know apparently

 

[RocketMan]

Their was never a doubt about that few months ago when OSINT released pics of a few terrorists for whom search op was going on we later came to know they stayed in local mosque all night hiding. We know, Army knows, political leadership knows everyone knows but what to do after that none of them know apparently

In the long term these pin prick attacks do little , but they dent morale in local AO for which there must be a response; covert or otherwise ! If our political leadership is so afraid of war,military strategists must devise a plan for sub conventional warfare to weaken this godforsaken Zombie state. Attack on all front sans open warfare. Indus treaty should be scrapped , ceasefire should be junked & cross border raids begin. Our advantage lies in seas where we must attack their trade to inflict body blow to their economy.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

 

[Blademaster]

MoD never give orders for any weapon, it's UN generals job.

MoD is just a facilitator.

No but it control the money purse strings and promotions of IA officers. MoD needs to start firing generals left and right who does not get the memo.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

No but it control the money purse strings and promotions of IA officers. MoD needs to start firing generals left and right who does not get the memo.

It's not a one way street Army will start being stubborn too and that will hamper national security have you not seen how stubbornness from Armed kills national policies from whole theaterization efforts? Airforce single handedly have stopped that whole thing

 

[Blademaster]

Things are far worse in artillery segment
If 307 orders comes before 20-20 athos would be an achievement
Small amount of atags will be procured but not in thousands for which we have requirements
It's different topic whether we need towed or not
But definitely small nos of athos will come and they will participate in 400 tgs requirement and once successful they might be procured in 1000s even replacing 105mm guns
The whole delay in artillery mordernization is due to govt's rigidity over indigenous products
Once screwdrivergiri is sanctioned we can see rapid mordernization
Just thing what's gonna happen to BF mgs

Anyways @Arad Operator can shed more light over it

Ha ha ha so all along you have wanted GoI to throw in the towel and let IA order foreign products and drain the coffers rapidly so that it leaves little scope for further indigenous development??? bitch please we have had enough of your blackpilling. We do not need your defeatist attitude any further.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

In the long term these pin prick attacks do little , but they dent morale in local AO for which there must be a response; covert or otherwise ! If our political leadership is so afraid of war,military strategists must devise a plan for sub conventional warfare to weaken this godforsaken Zombie state. Attack on all front sans open warfare. Indus treaty should be scrapped , ceasefire should be junked & cross border raids begin. Our advantage lies in seas where we must attack their trade to inflict body blow to their economy.

They do little in long term and in war situation we have a ceasefire on and relative peaceful border so these attacks hurt alot and mean rn it's about Time Gov decides what they want Aman ki asha or war(by that I mean re-start hammering pakis on border)

 

[Blademaster]

It's not a one way street Army will start being stubborn too and that will hamper national security have you not seen how stubbornness from Armed kills national policies from whole theaterization efforts? Airforce single handedly have stopped that whole thing

That is because GoI and MoD have shown no balls in standing up to the generals. They need to send out a message by getting rid of the seniority thing and go by merit promotion, not age promotion and instill fear into the ranks of officers so that they must perform not slack off and jerk off and plan your retirement period.

 

[Blademaster]

Even mgs may face atags treatment
Athos mgs varient has a good chance too

Again blackpilling??

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

That is because GoI and MoD have shown no balls in standing up to the generals. They need to send out a message by getting rid of the seniority thing and go by merit promotion, not age promotion and instill fear into the ranks of officers so that they must perform not slack off and jerk off and plan your retirement period.

Easier said then done bhai

 

[Blademaster]

Easier said then done bhai

And yet real military powers do it. Look at Xi cracking down on the PLA. Look at USG and Pentagon willing to fire officers over performance and promote officers based on merit over older officers. Look at Russia doing the same thing. Look at NATO countries doing similar stuff.

 

[Overlord]

Again blackpilling??

No he is not blackpilling on this one, considering how UN baboons treat indigenous system with utter disdain, it would be miracle if MGS is inducted after Nth trial & get inducted in large no.
Even if pass trials, it would be sheer luck if that system is not rejected by citing xyz reason in lieu of some foreign shit.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

And yet real military powers do it. Look at Xi cracking down on the PLA. Look at USG and Pentagon willing to fire officers over performance and promote officers based on merit over older officers. Look at Russia doing the same thing. Look at NATO countries doing similar stuff.

Big difference brother you of all people should know better this is democracy no one can do shit about xi there they do what they are told hell even there farmers are told what to grow to here Gov has to keep people happy to get support too you are forgetting they are all politicans of democracy in the end they give shit about there seat they have to keep people happy to get support man can't go after whole lots of heads specially in military

 

[Blademaster]

No he is not blackpilling on this one, considering how UN baboons treat indigenous system with utter disdain, it would be miracle if MGS is inducted after Nth trial & get inducted in large no.

He's making conjectures again. He did the same thing about Tapas only to be proven wrong. MoD has not given up on Tapas. They are continuing the program. MoD has ordered ATAGs but not ATHOS. It seems like he wants this to be a self fulfilling prophecy like a doomsayer because it gives him comfort knowing that his misery will be shared by others and he doesn't have to summon courage to remain optimistic. He has all the hallmarks of a defeatist oriented attitude. His type is the reason for the battles and wars India lost. God imagine if Sam Maneshaw had that attitude, India would have been far worse. We need winning positive attitudes, not defeatist attitudes by the likes of him.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

And yet real military powers do it. Look at Xi cracking down on the PLA. Look at USG and Pentagon willing to fire officers over performance and promote officers based on merit over older officers. Look at Russia doing the same thing. Look at NATO countries doing similar stuff.

See this? Battles are fought inside this country too it's 2.5 front welcome to democracy

Sorry mods if it's political feel free to shift if needed although it's kinda related to thread

 

[Blademaster]

Big difference brother you of all people should know better this is democracy no one can do shit about xi there they do what they are told hell even there farmers are told what to grow to here Gov has to keep people happy to get support too you are forgetting they are all politicans of democracy in the end they give shit about there seat they have to keep people happy to get support man can't go after whole lots of heads specially in military

I quote democracies too to counter exactly your point.

 

[Blademaster]

See this? Battles are fought inside this country too it's 2.5 front welcome to democracy

Sorry mods if it's political feel free to shift if needed although it's kinda related to thread

Gen Sam had to contend with the same thing when CPM was in power in West Bengal and China breathing down its neck and yet he won the 1971 war. Take a lesson from his example.

 

[Jimih]

1971

Battle of Poonch

 

[Overlord]

And yet real military powers do it. Look at Xi cracking down on the PLA. Look at USG and Pentagon willing to fire officers over performance and promote officers based on merit over older officers. Look at Russia doing the same thing. Look at NATO countries doing similar stuff.

Big difference brother you of all people should know better this is democracy no one can do shit about xi there they do what they are told hell even there farmers are told what to grow to here Gov has to keep people happy to get support too you are forgetting they are all politicans of democracy in the end they give shit about there seat they have to keep people happy to get support man can't go after whole lots of heads specially in military

Biradars even if GoI grow the invisible titanium balls & start dispatching the correction to arrogant UN walas & baboons, the maggots will run to the SC & we all know how it works.
Plus you have bloodsucking opposition, they will cry hue if govt. start applying methods used by the one in my DP.
The so called opposition wants to grab power at any cost, no matter what.

Sad to say the only way to get out of this fuckfest is to wait for a conflict .