India Pakistan Nuke Scenario - NFU Policy - Massive Retaliation & Possible War Scenarios

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We know where they store it, there SPD and other things, our friend Raj Sir has scan every inch of Pak, in private initiative.

Our strategy is to nuke all Pak and let our BMD take care of what ever they can throw in.
I strongly beleive the pakis have stored some of their nukes in population centres........
Because once IAF starts raiding paki nuke assets and bombing,we will bomb the nukes in the population centres
Pakis will try to gain sympathy....................
 

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Raj47 satellite pics are always an bliss to the eye s of indian defence followers especially from the porkiland .. But hi pictures of the one from north especially the PLAN s new capabilities are little worrying for our eyes ..

We know where they store it, there SPD and other things, our friend Raj Sir has scan every inch of Pak, in private initiative.

Our strategy is to nuke all Pak and let our BMD take care of what ever they can throw in.
 

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I strongly beleive the pakis have stored some of their nukes in population centres........
Because once IAF starts raiding paki nuke assets and bombing,we will bomb the nukes in the population centres
Pakis will try to gain sympathy....................
When we nuke them, not much will left of them, only person/country, who will cry would be China, if China is smart enough, he will now that nuked Pak is much in its interest then present day Pak, Chinese can easily control what ever is left of Pak.
 

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I say we should devlop a successful BMD system first than do pre emptive strike .
This is a very serious matter and elimination of risk is necessary. As it could be a threat to the nation.
 

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Once again, a phoren eggspurt earning his bread and butter speculating on a scenario and a locale they have little to no understanding off and at the same time salivating at the prospect of someone soliciting their "services".

Napaaki behaviour must be godsend to so many anal(c)ysts.
 

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When we nuke them, not much will left of them, only person/country, who will cry would be China, if China is smart enough, he will now that nuked Pak is much in its interest then present day Pak, Chinese can easily control what ever is left of Pak.
We cannot allow that.................
Once china takes control of paki wasteland then they would be able to launch 2 front war............................
After nuking em down we should take control of Punjab,pok and sindh
 

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The million dollar question is: Does India know exactly where the Paki nukes are stored? If not, this counter force strategy of knocking out the nukes in a pre-emptive strike doesn't hold water. We can however destroy all their nuclear facilities, but that won't prevent the Pakis from launching a first strike as their nukes are far removed from these facilities.
India has some of the best surveillance satellites like Risat 1 & 2, to keep track of their movements. There are other means too to track these nukes, like tracking radiation activities.
 

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The more you get economically and diplomatically stronger, the policies get evolved.
 

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India has some of the best surveillance satellites like Risat 1 & 2, to keep track of their movements. There are other means too to track these nukes, like tracking radiation activities.
Best uncle got it, after that Russia and China. Yeah we do have some live satellite feeds and Risats which provide day and night. We need to have an agreement with Russia to relay missile launch details from there long range assets to act as second or third warning from Pak ballistic missiles. Thats for BMD.

Hope we buy 50 JLEN aerostat from Uncle if our local CMD is not ready in time.
 

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When we nuke them, not much will left of them, only person/country, who will cry would be China, if China is smart enough, he will now that nuked Pak is much in its interest then present day Pak, Chinese can easily control what ever is left of Pak.
India will not leave anything called Pakistan. There will be Sindh, Baluchistan and pakjab. POK Gilgit and Baltistan will be taken over by India cutting them completely from China. So no question of Chinese control.
 

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We know where they store it, there SPD and other things, our friend Raj Sir has scan every inch of Pak, in private initiative.

Our strategy is to nuke all Pak and let our BMD take care of what ever they can throw in.
That's precisely the plan to completely destroy Pakistan and 75% of its population.

Wrt nuclear submarines, ins Aridhaman is on sea trials, ins Arihant on patrol and third one near complete.
 

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India’s doctrinal duplicity: No-First-Use nuclear policy for China, but not for Pakistan? : Pak Media
Published March 30, 2017
SOURCE: NATION PK



It is not the first time that India’s No First Use policy has become a topic of controversy. Ironically, March 2017 Carnegie International Nuclear Policy Conference pledged a new wave of tense debate on the preemptive nuclear strike, decapitationstrike and counter strike in South Asia. Vipin Narang, a nuclear strategist from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, managed to grab the attention of the conference attendees by inkling that:


“there is increasing evidence that India will not allow Pakistan to go first”


He added that:

“India’s opening salvo may not be conventional strikes trying to pick off just Nasr batteries (launch vehicles for Pakistan’s tactical battlefield nuclear warheads) in the theatre, but a full ‘comprehensive counterforce strike’ that attempts to completely disarm Pakistan of its nuclear weapons so that India does not have to engage in iterative tit-for-tat exchanges and expose its own cities to nuclear destruction.”

Comprehensive counterforce here is used as an informal phrase that describes counterattack on a nuclear arsenal.

It is impossible to completely disarm a nuclear weapons state. If a nuclear weapon state is on the other side, one has to face not only massive retaliation but a nuclear counter attack, in response. Well, analytically, it could be assessed, as a consequence to the ambitions of completely disarming Pakistan that India intends to build more nuclear weapons, with enhanced and more sophisticated technologies, ballistic missile defense, a shift away from recessed and de-mated deterrent postures, multiple independently-targetable re-entry vehicles (MIRVs), and expansion of intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance (ISR) capabilities.

It would be pertinent to mention here a well-known fact that India is the largest arms importer, and is engaged in several nuclear deals worldwide for which US is the biggest helper. An evidence estimated that for the US it would be desirable if a friendly Asian power beat Communist China to the punch by detonating a nuclear device first, for which the very likely country was no other than India. So, the US assisted by helping India acquire nuclear explosive, for balancing communist China that is evident from the recently declassified Sept 1961, top secret memorandum from State Dept official George McGhee to Secretary of State Dean Rusk.

Coming back to the point, there is another way of looking into Vipin’s above quoted comments; they is a direct indication of Indian inclination towards the doctrinal duplicity. Meaning, thereby, varying in case of Pakistan and China. On one hand, Indian nuclear strategists are on their verge of launching preemptive nuclear strike on Pakistan by flushing off its No-First-Use (NFU) policy and on the other hand they’re keeping the same doctrine for China. It is a clear double standard of its nuclear doctrinal policy of NFU. Ironically, the revolving continuing speculation on the transformation of NFU policy of Indian Nuclear doctrine is very much proved in the recent statement of Indian nuclear expert. The strategy might be to keep all options open by putting ambiguity in its nuclear doctrine. Diplomatically, Indian doctrine is only to show theinternational community that India has maintained a responsible use of its nuclear weapons by declaring a written doctrine, paradoxically which was never credible enough.

Operationally it is not possible to go for decapitation strike. Indian current nuclear developments such as submarine-launched ballistic missiles and an ambitious ballistic missile defense program, reflect its aggressive nuclear posture. But, no matter how much Indian political elite wants to signal aggressively, it is standing in the international community quite diplomatically at the same time. India actually aspires to alter regional and global order by its day-by-day hardline revelation. It was India’s ‘unrestrained behavior’, after which itbecame necessary for Pakistan to take a step forward towards a sea-based deterrent. India is extending the range of its missiles (Brahmos supersonic cruise missiles) right after the MTCR membership just within days – what will India do if its dream comes true of getting NSG membership? It would, for sure, lead the way for enhancing its uranium reserves for military usage or a thermonuclear weapons test.

Finally, the conventional wisdom of South Asia’s strategic stability problem is challenged by the Indian expert’s delivered remarks. India may be demonstrating a ‘seismic shift’ in its nuclear strategy from ‘no first use’ to a preemptive nuclear counterforce allowing for escalation dominance or a ‘splendid first strike’ against Pakistan. Islamabad must be prepared for New Delhi opting to nuclear first-use and ever more so with hardliners like Manohar Parrikar, Ajit Davol, Shivshankar Menon and Sushma Sawraj at the helm. Last but not the least, India still does not have the means to carry out a “splendid” pre-emptive strike against Pakistan’s nuclear forces. It would be worth noting here that it requires Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance (ISR) assets, which are not within India’s reach for decades.
http://idrw.org/indias-doctrinal-du...icy-for-china-but-not-for-pakistan-pak-media/
 

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We are not going to kill 75% of the population of pakistan we are not such scavengers or flesh eaters to spill so much blood our attack will be precise to take out the paki armed forces unless if pakistan uses nuke on our cities and causes widespread destruction than yes rest assured there wont be any land called pakistan this provided how good our ATV s come out to deliver the second strike ..

Are you sure about the third Sub in the ATV near completion as per the Wiki its saying its still not yet decided about the launch of the third submarine in the ATV class ..Well i know the secret projects like these wont be updated in Wiki may be not the completion but the launch would be spilled anywhere in the web ???? Would be more than delighted if you prove me wrong with the third submarine ...

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That's precisely the plan to completely destroy Pakistan and 75% of its population.

Wrt nuclear submarines, ins Aridhaman is on sea trials, ins Arihant on patrol and third one near complete.
 

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We are not going to kill 75% of the population of pakistan we are not such scavengers or flesh eaters to spill so much blood our attack will be precise to take out the paki armed forces unless if pakistan uses nuke on our cities and causes widespread destruction than yes rest assured there wont be any land called pakistan this provided how good our ATV s come out to deliver the second strike ..

Are you sure about the third Sub in the ATV near completion as per the Wiki its saying its still not yet decided about the launch of the third submarine in the ATV class ..Well i know the secret projects like these wont be updated in Wiki may be not the completion but the launch would be spilled anywhere in the web ???? Would be more than delighted if you prove me wrong with the third submarine ...

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Here read @sayareakd post from 2013 there's mention of third ATV hull work started. It's from irdw but that page is not available now. During Congress govt everything was in open, but now nothing is coming out.


http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/atv-class-nuclear-submarine.10/page-60
 

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We are not going to kill 75% of the population of pakistan we are not such scavengers or flesh eaters to spill so much blood our attack will be precise to take out the paki armed forces unless if pakistan uses nuke on our cities and causes widespread destruction than yes rest assured there wont be any land called pakistan this provided how good our ATV s come out to deliver the second strike ..

Are you sure about the third Sub in the ATV near completion as per the Wiki its saying its still not yet decided about the launch of the third submarine in the ATV class ..Well i know the secret projects like these wont be updated in Wiki may be not the completion but the launch would be spilled anywhere in the web ???? Would be more than delighted if you prove me wrong with the third submarine ...

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We will be going for their population centres in a big way.
 

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Can someone invite dfi terrorist panel zarvan & Neo to give their expert comments.
 

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