India Takes First Step Towards Indus Water Treaty Withdrawal

[Tibarn]

I have concern, let see if we withdraw is it not then CHINESE will do something on brahmaputra front?
Those jokers are hell bent on not letting pakistan feel it is "alone".

Although I doubt if China would do anything here to help Pakistan, if worst comes to worst, we can put tariffs on China as well. Our balance of trade with them puts us in the stronger position in this regard.

 

[Darth Malgus]

Although I doubt if China would do anything here to help Pakistan, if worst comes to worst, we can put tariffs on China as well. Our balance of trade with them puts us in the stronger position in this regard.

@Aaj ka hero Not much of the water which flows in Brahmaputra flows from China, vast majority of the tributaries feeding Brahmaputra are in India, Its geographically almost impossible to block from the Chinese side.

 

[Chinmoy]

I had mentioned this earlier too here that the Paki Generals idea of filling water between two embankments (rail and road) 200 meters apart from these waters to counter the CSD is a harebrained idea which is the hallmark of these mentally challenged Paki generals.

True that Paki generals are known to take some absurd decision based on messed up intelligence report in past. But this step is taken much later then expected, so I would take this in cold start perspective with a pinch of salt.

It might have strategic planning, but IMO it's more of a dual nature project n would have more diplomatic reason then military.

 

[kunal1123]

WB pause gives India free rein to complete Ratle project : Pakistani Media
SOURCE: THE NEWS PK

India has restarted work on construction of 850MW Ratle hydropower project on the Chenab River leaving Pakistan clueless about how to stop its eastern neighbor from going ahead with the controversial project. The work on the dam has been restarted despite a pause announced by the World Bank on December 12, 2016. Islamabad wants the World Bank to constitute a 7-member international court of arbitration, while India wants that the dispute should be resolved through a neutral expert.

However, when this reporter asked Federal Minister for Water Resources Faisal Vawda as to when the government was going to push the World Bank to break the pause and pressure India for resolution of dispute on Kishanganga project, completed with an objectionable design, and Ratle hydropower project being constructed with a faulty design, he said, ‘’We are keeping an eye on the development and will soon hold a meeting with the attorney general for Pakistan on the issue of pause, and way forward will be worked out.

“At the moment, we are in the transition period because of the World Bank pause,’’ he said. Syed Mehr Ali Shah, Commissioner Pakistan Commission of Indus Water, however says so far India has not started work on the Ratle project.

Pakistan believes, the official said, that Kishanganga’s pondage should be a maximum of one million cubic meters instead of 7.5 million cubic meters, while the intake should be up to four meters and spillways should be raised to nine meters.

Official sources also said the World Bank had already asked Pakistan on May 31, 2018 to move a neutral expert for resolving the Kishanganga and Ratle hydropower projects issue. They said the authorities had not yet sensitised the government’s top leadership to the World Bank’s advice.

They have kept the top man in dark to avoid wrath of the government, as the pause has enabled India to complete Kishanganga project and is still enabling it to complete Ratle project.

Pakistan has four objections to the Ratle project: The freeboard should be one meter instead of two meters, pondage should be a maximum of eight million cubic meters instead of 24 million, intake level should be at 8.8 meters and spillways at the height of 20 meters.

It believes Ratle’s design would reduce Chenab flows by 40 per cent at Head Marala causing considerable loss to crops. The dam is believed to be three times larger than the Baglihar dam.

However, in the wake of pause, India has already managed to complete and make 330MW Kishenganga hydropower project functional. In a letter written on April 3, 2018 Pakistan held the World Bank responsible for construction of Kishenganga project arguing that the pause had given India ample time to complete Kishanganga project.

Since the pause earlier taken by the World Bank in December 2016 is still in place and under the latest scenario India has decided to restart construction work on the Rattle hydropower project, it is feared that India will try to take maximum benefit from the pause and complete the Ratle project.

Top officials at PCIW say work had been started on the dam portion. The letter written on November 8, 2018 by Tariq Karim, counsellor at the Pakistan High Commission in New Delhi, to the Foreign Office of Pakistan confirms that India has decided to restart construction work on Rattle hydropower project.

A copy of the letter from the Pakistan High Commission is also in possession of The News that clearly says that Ratle project was earlier scheduled to complete in 2017 but now its commissioning will be achieved in 2022.

‘’GVK company started work on the project in 2012 and in 2014 it abandoned it because of tariff controversy. Now the governor administration in Indian Held Kashmir has proposed to the Union Power Ministry a joint venture between the Indian Held Kashmir and central government for execution of project a month after the Jammu and Kashmir state administrative council gave go-ahead.

“The World Bank has started advising Pakistani authorities to move a neutral expert for the legal fight to do away with its objections to the said two projects,” the official said. The World Bank that brokered the 1960 Indus Waters Treaty between the two nuclear states has failed so far to constitute a 7-member full court of arbitration.

India does not want resolution of the disputed project at the CoA level, rather it wants that a neutral expert should be the forum for the resolution. Now the authorities concerned, the official claimed, in Pakistan are receiving vibes from the bank to bring in a neutral expert to resolve the issue of disputed projects.

It argues that CoA cannot be constituted by keeping India, the party to the dispute, annoyed. It says CoA can be constituted in case both the parties to the dispute agree on it. “So Pakistan is left with no option but to move a neutral expert. If authorities in Pakistan do not agree with the World Bank’s advice, then India will get another opportunity to construct Ratle Hydropower project with objectionable designs.”

 

[indus]

Water crisis brews between India and Pakistan as rivers run dry
Bloomberg | Updated: Jan 26, 2019

BLOOMBERG
The latest dispute is over hydroelectric projects India is building along the Chenab River that Pakistan says violate the Indus Waters Treaty. (File photo used for representation)

HIGHLIGHTS

• As rivers and taps run dry, water has the potential to become a major flash point between India and Pakistan
• The latest dispute is over hydroelectric projects India is building along the Chenab River that Pakistan says violate the treaty
• Global agencies have made dire predictions that Pakistan will face mass water scarcity by 2025

Women and children walk miles each day in search for water in a crowded, downtrodden district of Pakistan’s financial capital, Karachi — a scene repeated in cities throughout the country.
In India, government research indicates about three-quarters of people don’t have drinking water at home and 70 percent of the country’s water is contaminated.


As rivers and taps run dry, water has the potential to become a major flash point between India and Pakistan. Both have repeatedly accused each other of violating the World Bank-brokered 1960s Indus Waters Treaty that ensures shared management of the six rivers crossing between the two neighbors.
The latest dispute is over hydroelectric projects India is building along the Chenab River that Pakistan says violate the treaty and will impact its water supply. Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan is sending inspectors to visit the site on January 27. Meanwhile, Prime Minister Narendra Modi has vowed to proceed with construction, and it remains unclear how the impasse will be resolved.


“Tensions over water will undoubtedly intensify and put the Indus Waters Treaty — which to this point has helped ensure that they have never fought a war over water — to its greatest test,” Michael Kugelman, a senior associate for South Asia at the Woodrow Wilson Center in Washington said by email.

“He may not do something immediately after resuming power but if relations with Pakistan deteriorate, by 2020-21, it’s a possibility,” Swain said. And although Pakistan’s new political leaders are aware the two dams being built by India are only one part its problem, “a water conflict with India can be a good way to hide their own mismanagement.”


Ministry of water spokesman Sudhir Pandey didn't respond to phone calls, while Pakistan's Commissioner for Indus Waters Syed Muhammad Mehar Ali Shah was unavailable to comment.


The Indus river, one of Asia’s longest that originates in the Tibetan Plateau and flows into the Arabian sea near Karachi, has shriveled to a shadow of its former self. Water scarcity has led to regular protests in cities from Shimla in India to Lahore in Pakistan.

 

[indiatester]

Fund Raising Status for The Supreme Court of Pakistan and the Prime Minister of Pakistan Diamer-Bhasha and Mohmand Dams Fund

 

[The Ultranationalist]

Fund Raising Status for The Supreme Court of Pakistan and the Prime Minister of Pakistan Diamer-Bhasha and Mohmand Dams Fund

$12 billion for constructing only two hydroelectric power plants? thats 5 billion more than the porki defence budget.

 

[ezsasa]

$12 billion for constructing only two hydroelectric power plants? thats 5 billion more than the porki defence budget.

in the first place 12 billion itself is way too costly, for any kind of hydro plant. that's 83 thousand crores INR.
our guys spend max 10-15 thousand crores on such plants.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

India studying water treaty, water will flow to Rajasthan, Punjab not Pakistan: Nitin Gadkari

 

[cyclops]

It's time to both choke and drown these pakis.

India not to renew 1989 agreement, stops sharing hydrological data with Pakistan
OpIndia Staff On August 22, 2019
India has stopped sharing hydrological data with Pakistan

Indus Water Treaty/ Representational Image

The Narendra Modi government has decided to up the ante against the terrorist state of Pakistan as it has now decided not to renew its 1989 agreement of sharing hydrological data of the Indus system of rivers during flood season with Pakistan.

The government has informed them that it would only provide information on “extraordinary discharges and flood flows”, reports the Times of India.

Reportedly, the agreement between the two countries was mere a goodwill gesture of the Indian government, which was renewed every year. However, with Pakistan meddling in India’s internal affairs and with the recently heightened tensions over the abrogation of Jammu and Kashmir’s special status and the bifurcation of the state into two Union Territories, the government of India has changed its position.

“This agreement was not renewed in the current year by us,” PK Saxena, Indian Commissioner for Indus Waters, told TOI on Wednesday.

However, this decision has nothing to do with the Indus Water Treaty signed between India and Pakistan in 1960 for sharing waters of the Indus system. “India as a responsible nation is committed to the provisions of the IWT,” said Saxena.

Referring to the 1989 agreement to share hydrological data during flood season between July 1 to October 10, he said, “This was the arrangement beyond the IWT provisions as a gesture of goodwill from India. This arrangement was being renewed every year since 1989 with modifications as and when required.”

Sharing his views on the IWT, Saxena said, “Under the Treaty provisions, India is required to provide advance information in regard to ‘extraordinary discharges and flood flows’. This is being done whenever the extraordinary flows are reached.”

The move by the Indian government is considered to be the response to Pakistan’s continuous propagation of terror into India and also its attempts to destabilise the normalcy in the Kashmir.

Gajendra Singh Shekhawat, Union Minister for Jal Shakti (water resources) on Tuesday had said the country’s intent to fully utilise its share of water from Indus river system within the IWT rather than allowing it to flow into Pakistan. Since many years, India has been working on to divert our share of water that flows to Pakistan and utilise it for the benefit of our own farmers, industries and people.

“Work has already begun to stop the waters that flow into Pakistan (under IWT). I am talking about the water which is going to Pakistan, and I am not talking about breaking the Indus treaty,” Shekhawathad had said. He said that the experts were working on the hydrological and techno-feasibility studies.

As per the Indus Water Treaty, the control of the Beas, the Ravi and the Sutlej river vests with India while Pakistan controls the Indus, the Chenab and the Jhelum. As the Pakistani rivers receive more waters from India, the treaty allows New Delhi to use the Indus, the Chenab and the Jhelum waters for limited irrigation and unlimited use of power generation, domestic, industrial and non-consumptive use.

Meanwhile, Pakistan has accused India of having unleashed fifth-generation warfare against it and said that New Delhi failed to share the hydrological data on the waters of Sutlej river with Pakistan on time, leading to floods across the Islamic nation.

https://www.opindia.com/2019/08/ind...tops-sharing-hydrological-data-with-pakistan/

 

[Hiranyaksha]

Indus water treaty withdrawal in process ??

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[Indx TechStyle]

Indus water treaty withdrawal in process ??

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Per pakis.
https://**********/pdf/threads/repo...-the-indus-water-treaty-with-pakistan.652229/

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Indus water treaty withdrawal in process ??

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Per pakis.
https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/608712-modi-govt-looks-to-breach-water-accord-with-pakistan

 

[Hiranyaksha]

Per pakis.
https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/608712-modi-govt-looks-to-breach-water-accord-with-pakistan

I am so glad that finally we are going to do it.
Sala there is no water in Mumbai and Bangalore. We have to fucking wait for these water tankers to come and fill the supply tank up. And here we are dolling our water to terrorists.

 

[Sanglamorre]

Per pakis.
https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/608712-modi-govt-looks-to-breach-water-accord-with-pakistan

What is this trash newspaper that calls itself international and has worse errors than my fifth standard cousin?

 

[sorcerer]

What is this trash newspaper that calls itself international and has worse errors than my fifth standard cousin?

pakis think we will flood them...
hell no!! water is more precious than pakis...
We just wont give them water to free load.but stick to the treaty..

 

[ezsasa]

Per pakis.
https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/608712-modi-govt-looks-to-breach-water-accord-with-pakistan

Pakis and their fanaticism..

We will just utilise our share, but there too it is possible only if new dams are built and canals are linked.

IWT won’t be touched, it is important for us that IWT survives as long as possible, atleast as long as paki officially declare a full scale war on us. and them declaring war on us is unlikely in this decade given the prevailing global situation.


But if and when IWT is cancelled, there must be corresponding infrastructure to fully divert the waters, which takes decade to build anyways.

 

[Bhadra]

="Jor_Se_Bolo_PKMKB, post: 1670173, member: 29603"
Well, I am sure the upper echelons of Raisana Hills have several well-thought and war-gamed strategies to do it.

What I mean is that we should obfuscate the issue and break the treaty while like you said maintaining a pretense of a good boy image. One on-the-fly example is we can bring in our own definition of what constitutes 80% and what makes 20%. I am sure we can "produce" data showing daily production of 100 units instead of the actual production of say 120 units and keep 40 units and release only 80. Let them try and quantify the actual production.

There is a joint inspection mechanism.
India used to share all data with Pakistan which India seems to have been stopped.
Upstream river water should be fully utilized by India for the purpose of -

Full utilization for hydropower generation.
Using India's share for irrigation of Jammu zones and diversion to Punjab and Rajsthan.

Building large storage dams to release and flood Pakistani areas to deny them use of their own land and trap Pakistani forces. That will facilitate reverse water crossing what Alaxander did to Puru or make their certain areas untankable to concentrate forces somewhere else... Bale Bale ho Jaigi...

We can argue on the point of division (if not clearly defined) - do we divide water at the source, midway, or at the point it is actually released into Pakistan. That way we can use it before division.

Not so simple.

We can introduce leakages and show that leakage is consistent with leakages in the water system across the country.

Everything is verifiable.

But yes, you and I agree on the underlying principle which is we must take back our water.

Pahale apana 20 per cent to le lo. Baki bad men...[/QUOTE]

 

[devlex]

The river might originate from Tibet but its down stream nation is not only India , Bangladesh too will be affected if any such tunneling takes place to divert water. If china wants to remain in international bodies they can never implement such things.

 

[Lancer]

How about throwing out the whole treaty and taking 100% of our water back.
Not one drop should flow into Pakistan. Hell with 80-20 BS.

It would be a huge move, possibly one of the ballsiest in India's history as a country, but I strongly believe India should unilaterally scrap the treaty and offer Pakistan a 60-40 or 70-30 arrangement, with the majority flowing to India.

If/when God Forbid the next major Paki attack occurs, it would be an excellent opportunity to do this, along with sanctions and snapping diplomatic ties w/ Pak and declaring it a terror state. Nobody will even have any strong argument against it.

As morbid as it is to say, 26/11 was a golden opportunity to do all of these things, in addition to waging war. But of course as fate would have it, Congress was in Gvt and trying to frame Hindus and RSS.