India US Relations

[Cheran]

Biden regime is facing backlash internally for supporting Israeli atrocities against Palestinians.

Islamo-Sharia-Bolsheviks are protesting online & on-ground.

What more a good chance to gain at least a very tiny ground by putting pressure on their next target Narendra Modi. Or at least some bragging rights could be earned.

US Regime apparatchiks doubling as "investigative" reporters are free to pass any hearsay as "source-based-intel".

For us, the starting point would be doubling down on local informants & putting vassals like Canada in their place.

Naming R&AW chief is an escalation.

It does not matter if all this is the result of middle east crisis or gang rivalry between pro & anti CCPee factions.

 

[DingDong]

Unlike what Wapo is saying.. India doesn't think it can get away with trying to assassinate a US citizen.. I think India is prepared for sanctions and a downturn in Indo US relations, and will not accept that RAW official was involved in the alleged assassination attempt.. even if "RAW official was involved", as this would permanently constrain any future Indian administration, as foreign governments can use this acceptance of extra territorial assassination attempt by India as a cudgel against it..

My personal opinion, is RAW wanted to be caught in the act.. This is 1998 Nuclear test redux.. Although the 1998 nuclear tests led to a lot of anti India sanctions.. it also created a lot of official exchanges at a very high level leading to the nuclear deal, and Indo US military cooperation to what it is today..

India cannot be a quasi ally of US, ready to bear the brunt of Chinese hostility, if US continues with its double dealing with anti India extremists as a form of leverage.. India probably did this to force a reckoning.. So, although US India relations will see a downturn in the next 5 years.. just like the 1998 nuclear tests.. this can lay the foundation for a much better and "transparent" relationship in the future.. @ezsasa @shade @LETHALFORCE

You are putting too much value into these reports.

If the go-ahead was given at the top level then Pannun has been permanently marked for death. His movements and actions will be severely restricted for the rest of his miserable life. He cannot leave North America. Anybody will think twice before getting associated with him.

US wanted to install Pannun into the central leadership of the Khalistan movement. Even if the assassination failed, it was still a partial success. A message was delivered.

 

[Master Chief]

it's their internal matter, it's their pro-china super lobby against anti-china lobby. their NY elites are ruining murica itself, India relationship not a biggie compared to that.

it's for their leadership to decide.

That US has released names of Yadav [CC1] and implicating ex RAW Chief as having approved the hit.. means one thing..
India is not buckling to US pressure [yet ].. and US is hence ramping up the pressure by directly pointing figures at Goel and Doval..

 

[Master Chief]

Biden regime is facing backlash internally for supporting Israeli atrocities against Palestinians.

Islamo-Sharia-Bolsheviks are protesting online & on-ground.

What more a good chance to gain at least a very tiny ground by putting pressure on their next target Narendra Modi. Or at least some bragging rights could be earned.

US Regime apparatchiks doubling as "investigative" reporters are free to pass any hearsay as "source-based-intel".

For us, the starting point would be doubling down on local informants & putting vassals like Canada in their place.

Naming R&AW chief is an escalation.

It does not matter if all this is the result of middle east crisis or gang rivalry between pro & anti CCPee factions.

It's not about Biden being cornered by Palestine.. It's about India.. Whatever India has done has profoundly unnerved the US establishment .

 

[Indrajit]

Biden regime is facing backlash internally for supporting Israeli atrocities against Palestinians.

Islamo-Sharia-Bolsheviks are protesting online & on-ground.

What more a good chance to gain at least a very tiny ground by putting pressure on their next target Narendra Modi. Or at least some bragging rights could be earned.

US Regime apparatchiks doubling as "investigative" reporters are free to pass any hearsay as "source-based-intel".

For us, the starting point would be doubling down on local informants & putting vassals like Canada in their place.

Naming R&AW chief is an escalation.

It does not matter if all this is the result of middle east crisis or gang rivalry between pro & anti CCPee factions.

Anyone talking to the Washington Post - there are atleast two named here, Dulat & Ajay Sahni must be dealt with in some measure. Journalists from WaPo need not be allowed in here anymore, that includes anyone writing opinion pieces as well as those on the Editorial board.

That piece has just a couple of names, the rest is garbage.

 

[ezsasa]

It's not about Biden being cornered by Palestine.. It's about India.. Whatever India has done has profoundly unnerved the US establishment .

there is nothing India has done to unnerve US establishment, nor India has to do anything to unnerve US establishment, they are crazy on their own. there are enough contradictory pulls and push from within their establishment, that if it was a person, the person would be diagnosed bipolar.

they are still having their internal conversation on the china question, let's hope they arrive at a consensus soon internally.

if they want to go after china, India is fine with it.
if they decide not to go after china, India is fine with this too, since India's security establishment already knows that they have to deal with china on their own in either case.

all that the sane people from our both sides need to do, is to hold their nerves and not give in to these pressure tactics.

 

[shade]

Unlike what Wapo is saying.. India doesn't think it can get away with trying to assassinate a US citizen.. I think India is prepared for sanctions and a downturn in Indo US relations, and will not accept that RAW official was involved in the alleged assassination attempt.. even if "RAW official was involved", as this would permanently constrain any future Indian administration, as foreign governments can use this acceptance of extra territorial assassination attempt by India as a cudgel against it..

My personal opinion, is RAW wanted to be caught in the act.. This is 1998 Nuclear test redux.. Although the 1998 nuclear tests led to a lot of anti India sanctions.. it also created a lot of official exchanges at a very high level leading to the nuclear deal, and Indo US military cooperation to what it is today..

India cannot be a quasi ally of US, ready to bear the brunt of Chinese hostility, if US continues with its double dealing with anti India extremists as a form of leverage.. India probably did this to force a reckoning.. So, although US India relations will see a downturn in the next 5 years.. just like the 1998 nuclear tests.. this can lay the foundation for a much better and "transparent" relationship in the future.. @ezsasa @shade @LETHALFORCE

The whole Pannun assassination thing is garbage created by the Amerisharts.
They are using this manufactured assassination accussation as a sword on GoI's head to get it to (((behave))) as per white masta's diktats.

Refusal to do so ofc means sanctions, shadow ban on giving visas to Indians, shadow ban on more investments to India( like Tim Apple does ofc ) and most importantly, for now, a ban on US & Allies providing military maal to India, like jet and tank engines

They know since Roosi is busy with his Akhand Russia Abhiyan and the French have their Rafale orderbooks full, we have only the start spangled vendor to get stuff from, they know this weakens our position viz China.

This is a game of who blinks first, if we do they will continue with even more manufactured bullshit like this.

This is Schrodinger's Accusation, since it is fully manufactured, you cannot "deny" it, and since we will do "investigation, investigation" they cannot "prove" it, aside from within the confines of their "Liberal World Order" setup, i.e them and their vassals like Germany, in order to impose "consequences" on India.

 

[shade]

it's their internal matter, it's their pro-china super lobby against anti-china lobby. their NY elites are ruining murica itself, India relationship not a biggie compared to that.

it's for their leadership to decide.

there is nothing India has done to unnerve US establishment, nor India has to do anything to unnerve US establishment, they are crazy on their own. there are enough contradictory pulls and push from within their establishment, that if it was a person, the person would be diagnosed bipolar.

they are still having their internal conversation on the china question, let's hope they arrive at a consensus soon internally.

if they want to go after china, India is fine with it.
if they decide not to go after china, India is fine with this too, since India's security establishment already knows that they have to deal with china on their own in either case.

all that the sane people from our both sides need to do, is to hold their nerves and not give in to these pressure tactics.

Phillipines is already their "counter" to China now.
Their current focus is to lump India with the Russia-Iran-China-NK "axis of evil".

It is purely an assumption that they need us as a counter to China, if you notice most of their media-randis have articles showing India as a joke 3rd world army based on paper Ruzzian equipment, so now since this baseline has been set, the next thing India provides is warm bodies, this the Phillipines can provide also, since their slave Marcos Jr is in power there.

Their favorite Manufacturing destinations now are Mexico and Vietnam.
Their warm-bodies supplier is Phillipines.

It is a dangerous assumption to think that they see us as anything but a nail that is sticking out that has to be hammered down

 

[Master Chief]

Phillipines is already their "counter" to China now.
Their current focus is to lump India with the Russia-Iran-China-NK "axis of evil".

It is purely an assumption that they need us as a counter to China, if you notice most of their media-randis have articles showing India as a joke 3rd world army based on paper Ruzzian equipment, so now since this baseline has been set, the next thing India provides is warm bodies, this the Phillipines can provide also, since their slave Marcos Jr is in power there.

Their favorite Manufacturing destinations now are Mexico and Vietnam.
Their warm-bodies supplier is Phillipines.

It is a dangerous assumption to think that they see us as anything but a nail that is sticking out that has to be hammered down

India will never be anybody's counter to China.. All the "Ruzzian equipment bad" guys are eating sh*t right now.. Wunderwaffen after Wunderwaffen [Excalibur, GMLRS, GL Small diameter bomb..] is being ground down by 3rd world Russians.. and the "superior" west is starting to sh*t their pants.. INDUSTRIAL WARFARE is back, and NATOs combined industrial might is falling behind semi mobilized Russia's ammunition, rocket and missile production.. Bodies matter, but Industrial might matters more.. and it will take a lot for west+japan+soko to rival Russia+China+Iran+NOKO industrial might..

 

[shade]

India will never be anybody's counter to China.. All the "Ruzzian equipment bad" guys are eating sh*t right now.. Wunderwaffen after Wunderwaffen [Excalibur, GMLRS, GL Small diameter bomb..] is being ground down by 3rd world Russians.. and the "superior" west is starting to sh*t their pants.. INDUSTRIAL WARFARE is back, and NATOs combined industrial might is falling behind semi mobilized Russia's ammunition, rocket and missile production.. Bodies matter, but Industrial might matters more.. and it will take a lot for west+japan+soko to rival Russia+China+Iran+NOKO industrial might..

My point still remains, people seem to take "India counters China" as a given in the W*stern political calculus.

Since we became independent, they unironically believed the Republic would implode within 10 years, when we didn't, and after Indira G's bromance with the USSR, their whole view on India turned into "containment", and now we have an even more potent sequel of (((containment))) with Mudi in power, our 1.3 billion strong population etc.

India is a wildcard, it is a variable that doesn't fit cleanly in the world war and "Ally vs Autocracy" binary today or the "Ally vs Commie" binary of the past.

US doesn't like wildcards, it prefers definite enemies or obedient slaves.

 

[sameer3694]

Unlike what Wapo is saying.. India doesn't think it can get away with trying to assassinate a US citizen.. I think India is prepared for sanctions and a downturn in Indo US relations, and will not accept that RAW official was involved in the alleged assassination attempt.. even if "RAW official was involved", as this would permanently constrain any future Indian administration, as foreign governments can use this acceptance of extra territorial assassination attempt by India as a cudgel against it..

My personal opinion, is RAW wanted to be caught in the act.. This is 1998 Nuclear test redux.. Although the 1998 nuclear tests led to a lot of anti India sanctions.. it also created a lot of official exchanges at a very high level leading to the nuclear deal, and Indo US military cooperation to what it is today..

India cannot be a quasi ally of US, ready to bear the brunt of Chinese hostility, if US continues with its double dealing with anti India extremists as a form of leverage.. India probably did this to force a reckoning.. So, although US India relations will see a downturn in the next 5 years.. just like the 1998 nuclear tests.. this can lay the foundation for a much better and "transparent" relationship in the future.. @ezsasa @shade @LETHALFORCE

I think this is a classic case of "entrapment" by the State dept, CIA and some other power centers to sabotage/slow down the relationship or to force us to toe their line geopolitically. It is well known that the state dept has always been antagonistic towards India, even during the Trump administration their deep state was trying their best to sabotage Modi and interfere in our elections.

They probably found some low level desi coolie who was willing to do the job for the money. Mark my words, once this Nikhil Coupta is extradited to the US, he'll start spinning all kinds of lies & stories to directly implicate the RAW chief in exchange for a plea deal and visas. Basically prop up Pannun as much as you can and then eulogize him as some kind of a martyr fighting oppression. Double game by the Yanks.

Their media is already in overdrive, spending their time 24/7 delegitimizing India, so this is just another feather in the cap for the muh transnational repression, and human rights brigade. Earlier they used to stick to attacking Modi, but now they've started attacking our institutions as well. Gathering all the required ammunition and the future material to paint India as the next Saudi Arabia, Iran et.al , so called axis of illiberal autocracies.

Anyway, Naming the RAW chief directly is a big escalation and shouldn't be taken lightly.

 

[Master Chief]

My point still remains, people seem to take "India counters China" as a given in the W*stern political calculus.

Since we became independent, they unironically believed the Republic would implode within 10 years, when we didn't, and after Indira G's bromance with the USSR, their whole view on India turned into "containment", and now we have an even more potent sequel of (((containment))) with Mudi in power, our 1.3 billion strong population etc.

India is a wildcard, it is a variable that doesn't fit cleanly in the world war and "Ally vs Autocracy" binary today or the "Ally vs Commie" binary of the past.


US doesn't like wildcards, it prefers definite enemies or obedient slaves.

Yes.. you are right.. My personal opinion is that US establishment has already decided that China-Russia combine is their new Cold war enemy, and it wants India to completely align with US in the forthcoming era..

 

[Psacha1234]

Now Australia claims RAW is using Indian diaspora to penetrate local departments and steal sensitive info at airports.

 

[Cheran]

^ Looks like massa & vassals have launched a coordinated attack.

Remember all those negative stories about Indian diaspora authored by Islamist & coconut coolies, those were not random.

Hope we uncover some CIA cells & neutralize traitors.

 

[shade]

Yes.. you are right.. My personal opinion is that US establishment has already decided that China-Russia combine is their new Cold war enemy, and it wants India to completely align with US in the forthcoming era..

My opinion is that they are hell bent on lumping India together with the new "Axis of Evil" countries, their media-shill articles, and the bots on reddit and other SM echo-chambers confirms this, since they say "India-China" or "India-Russia" in the same "evil autocracies" context.

 

[Butter Chicken]

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Now Australia claims RAW is using Indian diaspora to penetrate local departments and steal sensitive info at airports.

Why? Seems too much for a few Khalistanis

 

[shade]

Now Australia claims RAW is using Indian diaspora to penetrate local departments and steal sensitive info at airports.

They sense that the diaspora can be used as leverage and for lobbying purposes, and so this is their new accusation to get the diaspora to jump through hoops to prove their "loyalty" to their $INSERT_ANGLOSAXON_COUNTRY_NAME_HERE

 

[shade]

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Why? Seems too much for a few Khalistanis

Another lie by US vassal at the behest of masta like the previous Pannun one.
btw is there any source on this? googled but nothing turned up

 

[mokoman]

Unlike what Wapo is saying.. India doesn't think it can get away with trying to assassinate a US citizen.. I think India is prepared for sanctions and a downturn in Indo US relations, and will not accept that RAW official was involved in the alleged assassination attempt.. even if "RAW official was involved", as this would permanently constrain any future Indian administration, as foreign governments can use this acceptance of extra territorial assassination attempt by India as a cudgel against it..

My personal opinion, is RAW wanted to be caught in the act.. This is 1998 Nuclear test redux.. Although the 1998 nuclear tests led to a lot of anti India sanctions.. it also created a lot of official exchanges at a very high level leading to the nuclear deal, and Indo US military cooperation to what it is today..

India cannot be a quasi ally of US, ready to bear the brunt of Chinese hostility, if US continues with its double dealing with anti India extremists as a form of leverage.. India probably did this to force a reckoning.. So, although US India relations will see a downturn in the next 5 years.. just like the 1998 nuclear tests.. this can lay the foundation for a much better and "transparent" relationship in the future.. @ezsasa @shade @LETHALFORCE

hard time believing any of this conspiracy is real . i doubt RAW agents are so retarded - they will share unncessary assasination details with some drug dealer . looks more like they are putting in a lever they can pull anytime to fuck with us . maybe they expect more obedience in future when it comes to Russia .

now that they put out a name , what happens ? , we open private/public investigation , file fir , charge the innocent guy then jail him .

like i said earlier , they want us to bend the knee . seems like its gonna happen .

 

[srevster]

hard time believing any of this conspiracy is real . i doubt RAW agents are so retarded - they will share unncessary assasination details with some drug dealer . looks more like they are putting in a lever they can pull anytime to fuck with us . maybe they expect more obedience in future when it comes to Russia .

now that they put out a name , what happens ? , we open private/public investigation , file fir , charge the innocent guy then jail him .

like i said earlier , they want us to bend the knee . seems like its gonna happen .

My read it is to make indian population uncomfortable with voting for a certain party