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This is continuation of my comment on Nehru Gandhi ancestry conspiracy thread.
So continuing from above comment, this elite Muslim class is remnant of Pan India civil war that reached its peak in 18th century and ended with European Multinational companies taking advantage of the chaos and confusion in the end with ultimate dominance by the British.
What remained of Islamic i.e. Turkic/ Turko-mongol (and sometimes of Islamized Afghan mercinery tribes) rule was some princely states and Muslim ghetto towns that managed to survive by accepting subservience of (with occasional rebellions) of native Indian powers and later the British. The Muslim upper caste elites had social status and wealth so they could remain in their own bubble. Many times they migrate and marry across India in far away towns. Historians often trace origins of Pakistan movement to Sir Syed (highest Indian Muslim caste). They created their own myths and heroes and continued to mentally remain detached from reality and living in imaginary Islamic era. their history narrative also matched British narrative who could legitimize their occupation as legal transfer-of-power from one Mughal empire.
But when British had to leave India this class feared losing their their privileges and social status (ever noticed how Pakistanis all the time keep whining about ghairat and equal status with India?) that they somehow had managed to retain by adjusting to British rule.
But what exactly was so peculiar about these people that they so hated being part of India?
That may be the crux of the problem. This class derives its higher caste status by claiming origins to invaders from outside India, where India is an enemy i.e. from central asian turkic/mongol/Iranian tribes (and sometimes Islamized mercenary Afghan tribes). Sometimes the ancestry may be actually related (though mixed with natives over centuries), often times forged to get higher caste status. Many of Indian upper castes also converted ( e.g. Pakistan army and ruling class has large number of Muslim rajputs and Jaats) and as quislings would try to show off their loyalty and association to their master race. Pakistan is result of insecurities and identity crisis of this class. The ideologues and leaders of Pakistan movement came fro this class. With instructions/ guidance from British masters they forged Pakistan by hiring a lawyer Jinnah (converted Rajput family) from Anglicized elite family in Bombay.
They later found allies in nouveau riche Muslim landlords of North-west India (their land grants received from British) and after partition the Muslim families of British Indian army soldiers hailing from North-west India (who till date continue to be mercenaries of British empire and its successor American empire overtly and covertly) So in a way they are also quislings of bygone British empire along with being quislings of bygone Islamic era.
This is one reason why Pakistan is inherently racist and inherently anti-India.
(Off course here I have ignored inherent instability and violence in Islamic societies by virtue of them being Islamic societies. And larger number of native lower caste Muslims didn't really matter in these big political games. They are like sheep owned and harvested by masters)
In last century, class divisions were used on large scale for creating civil wars and toppling governments. But the conspiracy of silence in Pakistani, Indian and western intellectuals means that such possibility was never explored in case of Pakistan. This has allowed Pakistani state (which is synonymous with the ruling class in feudal Pakistani society) to continue unhindered its process of erasing native history and continue to impose its artificial narrative through brainwashing the generations of masses (slave class).
This is ironical because the class fault-lines in Pakistan's ideology (and among its sympathizers in India) are not just simple 'have' and 'have-nots', but it has an element of 'native' slave class versus master-class of 'outsiders' that does not owe or even pretend allegiance to the land.
@pmaitra @asingh10 @Zarvan @Neo @musalman @rizwan78 etc etc
Please ignore Nehru Gandhi conspiracy part. That is not the topic here. I created this thread to highlight something obvious about Pakistan problem that it seems everyone from mainstream historians, media to independent commentators and bloggers avoid talking, maybe it is conspiracy of silence among both Hindu and Muslim elites, maybe something else. But one thing everyone avoids is the caste/class aspect of creation of Pakistan which can give insights into why Pakistan is such a inherently racist, anti-Indian, criminal mentality state and a continuing mockery of human rights.I checked Delhi Police website. http://delhipolice.nic.in/history1.html
In their history it does mention about Gangadhar Nehru. So this family does have possible links going back to Mughals. This seems to be serious matter.
Let me clarify I wouldn't really mind if the Nehru family's ancestors were Muslims or anything else and they were open about it and clear about their allegiance.
However, even if they were Hindus but secretive about their links with Mughals, that is suspicious and a national security issue. Especially considering the unnatural fondness of mainstream Indian historians appointed by the dynasty have for Mughals and manipulation of history by almost wiping out entire 18th century.
Anyone can have their own opinions and their own version of history, it's a free country. But here the matter concerns national security because it is directly related to the enemy state with whom we are actively engaged in (covert and sometimes overt) war i.e. Pakistan.
It is not just about religion/ Muslims but specifically about certain class/caste group of Muslims:
Pakistan ideology and movement had almost nothing to do with the region that is now Pakistan. It is the (British sponsored) product of upper caste Muslim elites of Muslim dominant ghetto towns like Delhi and nearby areas of UP, Muslim towns in princely states like Bhopal and Hyderabad. It seems this Allahabadi family related to this class. Whether their ancestor was Muslim or Hindu quisling is immaterial. Their apparent allegiance to and promotion of people of this class and their ideology is the problem.
So continuing from above comment, this elite Muslim class is remnant of Pan India civil war that reached its peak in 18th century and ended with European Multinational companies taking advantage of the chaos and confusion in the end with ultimate dominance by the British.
What remained of Islamic i.e. Turkic/ Turko-mongol (and sometimes of Islamized Afghan mercinery tribes) rule was some princely states and Muslim ghetto towns that managed to survive by accepting subservience of (with occasional rebellions) of native Indian powers and later the British. The Muslim upper caste elites had social status and wealth so they could remain in their own bubble. Many times they migrate and marry across India in far away towns. Historians often trace origins of Pakistan movement to Sir Syed (highest Indian Muslim caste). They created their own myths and heroes and continued to mentally remain detached from reality and living in imaginary Islamic era. their history narrative also matched British narrative who could legitimize their occupation as legal transfer-of-power from one Mughal empire.
But when British had to leave India this class feared losing their their privileges and social status (ever noticed how Pakistanis all the time keep whining about ghairat and equal status with India?) that they somehow had managed to retain by adjusting to British rule.
But what exactly was so peculiar about these people that they so hated being part of India?
That may be the crux of the problem. This class derives its higher caste status by claiming origins to invaders from outside India, where India is an enemy i.e. from central asian turkic/mongol/Iranian tribes (and sometimes Islamized mercenary Afghan tribes). Sometimes the ancestry may be actually related (though mixed with natives over centuries), often times forged to get higher caste status. Many of Indian upper castes also converted ( e.g. Pakistan army and ruling class has large number of Muslim rajputs and Jaats) and as quislings would try to show off their loyalty and association to their master race. Pakistan is result of insecurities and identity crisis of this class. The ideologues and leaders of Pakistan movement came fro this class. With instructions/ guidance from British masters they forged Pakistan by hiring a lawyer Jinnah (converted Rajput family) from Anglicized elite family in Bombay.
They later found allies in nouveau riche Muslim landlords of North-west India (their land grants received from British) and after partition the Muslim families of British Indian army soldiers hailing from North-west India (who till date continue to be mercenaries of British empire and its successor American empire overtly and covertly) So in a way they are also quislings of bygone British empire along with being quislings of bygone Islamic era.
This is one reason why Pakistan is inherently racist and inherently anti-India.
(Off course here I have ignored inherent instability and violence in Islamic societies by virtue of them being Islamic societies. And larger number of native lower caste Muslims didn't really matter in these big political games. They are like sheep owned and harvested by masters)
In last century, class divisions were used on large scale for creating civil wars and toppling governments. But the conspiracy of silence in Pakistani, Indian and western intellectuals means that such possibility was never explored in case of Pakistan. This has allowed Pakistani state (which is synonymous with the ruling class in feudal Pakistani society) to continue unhindered its process of erasing native history and continue to impose its artificial narrative through brainwashing the generations of masses (slave class).
This is ironical because the class fault-lines in Pakistan's ideology (and among its sympathizers in India) are not just simple 'have' and 'have-nots', but it has an element of 'native' slave class versus master-class of 'outsiders' that does not owe or even pretend allegiance to the land.
@pmaitra @asingh10 @Zarvan @Neo @musalman @rizwan78 etc etc