QRSAM ( Quick Reaction SAM ) of IA

[johnj]

Quick reaction missile induction to be delayed; deficiencies found during trials

Sanctioned in 2014, the project is already running five years behind schedule and corrective measures would be required to meet the operational requirements of the armed forces. Sources aware of the recent trials told ET that deficiencies were observed when it comes to the mobility...

economictimes.indiatimes.com

It was earlier reported in may news papers that the multiple trials were successful. In this report it says that, what were reported are not so. Does anyone have an idea about the truth?

The things article saying may be true[80%] & ''earlier reported in may news papers that the multiple trials were successful'' also true[80%].
The article blaming entire s/m, and not the missile. [missile is world class, one of the best]
DRDO said all missile test were successful, not the entire s/m, now IA asking/saying new demands, entire s/m [most of them nonsense] which is not easy to meet.
We need pentagon like organisation to fix these issues. [ia/iaf/in]

 

[ezsasa]

The things article saying may be true[80%] & ''earlier reported in may news papers that the multiple trials were successful'' also true[80%].
The article blaming entire s/m, and not the missile. [missile is world class, one of the best]
DRDO said all missile test were successful, not the entire s/m, now IA asking/saying new demands, entire s/m [most of them nonsense] which is not easy to meet.
We need pentagon like organisation to fix these issues. [ia/iaf/in]

having pentagon type org. only delays the truth from coming out, only after a billion $ mistake becomes a trillion $ mistake. not suited for us.

 

[johnj]

having pentagon type org. only delays the truth from coming out, only after a billion $ mistake becomes a trillion $ mistake. not suited for us.

yet, they leading in tech & sale, and meeting most of their military needs.
In our case, huge delay in completing a pgrm, and again delay in meeting military needs, pentagon helps to reduce meeting military needs, there is no point in buying useless weapon[for ex. gun with out bullet or vice versa]. Mistake normal in R&D, manufacturing sector, for a 25~30 trillion economic country upto 2 trillion is not a biggie.
In this thread, from the article, qrsam basically useless to army.
What is the purpose of qr sam now ?

 

[ezsasa]

yet, they leading in tech & sale, and meeting most of their military needs.
In our case, huge delay in completing a pgrm, and again delay in meeting military needs, pentagon helps to reduce meeting military needs, there is no point in buying useless weapon[for ex. gun with out bullet or vice versa]. Mistake normal in R&D, manufacturing sector, for a 25~30 trillion economic country upto 2 trillion is not a biggie.
In this thread, from the article, qrsam basically useless to army.
What is the purpose of qr sam now ?

manu pubby has been on my ignore list for years now, don't really care what he says, except for trying to guess what the dalal lobby is focussing on.

purpose of QRSAM remains the same, give AD capability on the move for IBGs.

 

[johnj]

manu pubby has been on my ignore list for years now, don't really care what he says, except for trying to guess what the dalal lobby is focussing on.

purpose of QRSAM remains the same, give AD capability on the move for IBGs.

My replay considering the article.
IA already having AD capability on the move for IBGs thanks to akash, upgraded, akash ng is better + mobile vl sr sam[astra]. What IA lacks is b30/Pantsir nex gen versions.
QR SAM comes in b/w both and not a top priority to IA.

What is the minimum range of qrsam & s/m reaction time ?

 

[Rex72920]

Secretary, Department of Defence R&D and Chairman DRDO has congratulated the teams associated with the successful series of trials and said that the system is now ready for induction into the Indian Army.

DRDO & Indian Army successfully conduct six flight-tests of Quick Reaction Surface to Air Missile system off Odisha coast

Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and Indian Army have successfully completed six

pib.gov.in

How far will Chandigarh lobby go to defend their commission from imports.

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

My replay considering the article.
IA already having AD capability on the move for IBGs thanks to akash, upgraded, akash ng is better + mobile vl sr sam[astra]. What IA lacks is b30/Pantsir nex gen versions.
QR SAM comes in b/w both and not a top priority to IA.

What is the minimum range of qrsam & s/m reaction time ?

Wrong. Akash is not capable of providing AD on the move. QRSAM is perfect for the job. Don't let that dalal-written hitjob fool you, QRSAM is good at its job. Any issues found in trials are only temporary teething issues.
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As for Pantsir, etc; that is SPAAG. A different class of weapons that are deployed much closer to the frontline, right alongside tanks and ICVs.
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Don't make your own assumptions on the fly about how QRSAM is not important.

 

[ezsasa]

My replay considering the article.
IA already having AD capability on the move for IBGs thanks to akash, upgraded, akash ng is better + mobile vl sr sam[astra]. What IA lacks is b30/Pantsir nex gen versions.
QR SAM comes in b/w both and not a top priority to IA.

What is the minimum range of qrsam & s/m reaction time ?

it's not about either or, it's about AD bubbles with different ranges of AD systems, it's about layered defence.

whether IA will want to carry both QRSAM and Akash NG along with them is a separate issue. that's for theatre commander to decide as per the prevailing op.

QRSAM = 30 km
Akash NG = 70 Km
VL Srsam (30 km range)at the moment is for IN only, as a replacement for Barak 1. whether it will be adopted for land ,we don't know for sure at the moment.

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

it's not about either or, it's about AD bubbles with different ranges of AD systems, it's about layered defence.

whether IA will want to carry both QRSAM and Akash NG along with them is a separate issue. that's for theatre commander to decide as per the prevailing op.
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QRSAM = 30 km
Akash NG = 70 Km
VL Srsam (30 km range)at the moment is for IN only, as a replacement for Barak 1. whether it will be adopted for land ,we don't know for sure at the moment.

View attachment 172890

Agreed. IA organization will change with IBG-ization and will be highly specific to composition and tasking, so I am not sure but I think it will generally be:-

• Unit (Battalion/battalion group) level AD component (detachment-sized): SPAAG, MANPADs and AAAs
• Integrated Battle Group (IBG) level AD (unit-sized): QRSAM, Akash SAM.
• Corps level AD (brigade-sized): Akash, Akash NG, MRSAM (Barak-8)
• Theater Command level AD: IAF responsibility, XR-SAM, S-400, Barak-9, Akash NG.

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All these will be integrated into the IACCS, which is IAF's IADS.

 

[Lonewolf]

VL Srsam (30 km range)at the moment is for IN only, as a replacement for Barak 1. whether it will be adopted for land ,we don't know for sure at the moment.

Actually no , already ground based system is in development

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Is it in service ?

It has been fielded in limited capacity (deployment) along LAC.

 

[flanker99]

hm this is interesting

 

[Dark Sorrow]

VL Srsam (30 km range)at the moment is for IN only, as a replacement for Barak 1. whether it will be adopted for land ,we don't know for sure at the moment.

VL-SRSAM will have land based version which would/might be inducted by IAF. It is expected to be alternative
NASAMS.

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

hm this is interesting

So no weight issues. No mobility issues. No "radar unable to detect helicopter at minimum range". Sounds like there were some issues highlighted, some feedback from Army and these dalals want to make a mountain out of that molehill and derail the program.

 

[ezsasa]

Actually no , already ground based system is in development

for now it's only IDRW that's saying so. no hurry, we can wait for official confirmation whenever it comes.

 

[Lonewolf]

for now it's only IDRW that's saying so. no hurry, we can wait for official confirmation whenever it comes.

@porky_kicker also said this

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

Don't know of this guy's credibility

 

[johnj]

Wrong. Akash is not capable of providing AD on the move. QRSAM is perfect for the job. Don't let that dalal-written hitjob fool you, QRSAM is good at its job. Any issues found in trials are only temporary teething issues.
.
As for Pantsir, etc; that is SPAAG. A different class of weapons that are deployed much closer to the frontline, right alongside tanks and ICVs.
.
Don't make your own assumptions on the fly about how QRSAM is not important.

Akash having two versions, both mobile and stationary, mobile version can fire missile with a halt[standing still for a short time for firing the missile]

Production versions using tatra truck. Also IA asked for b30/Pantsir like system.
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SPAAG with missiles. eo/rf sensors,eccm etc. Not only in the frontline, but during a assault, inside hostile territory, with out any air support.
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Qrsam is not important for IA now, when you consider SPAAG, or manpads, assault rifles, drones etc, its not about qrsam but user, ie IA.

 

[johnj]

it's not about either or, it's about AD bubbles with different ranges of AD systems, it's about layered defence.

whether IA will want to carry both QRSAM and Akash NG along with them is a separate issue. that's for theatre commander to decide as per the prevailing op.
View attachment 172889

QRSAM = 30 km
Akash NG = 70 Km
VL Srsam (30 km range)at the moment is for IN only, as a replacement for Barak 1. whether it will be adopted for land ,we don't know for sure at the moment.

View attachment 172890

I already got that spec. min range 3km. still reaction time unknown.
The real question is[for me] normal quick reaction s/m designed under 5km for AD ?
For your knowledge, akash range is 25km, to ng[70km] and eventually all system can upgraded & interconnected. Right nw IA using akash,theatre commander can choose old AD or akash or spyder or combination or barak 8 from IAF.

 

[johnj]

hm this is interesting

1. Seeker issue ?
I thought IA/lobbies making issues for import stuff. DRDO already r&d rf seeker for astra/akash.