Jihadi propaganda patterns and how to counter them

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Today's messages in the Israel-Hamas thread throws an interesting dillema regarding jihadi propaganda. And fortunately, it is in our own space, where we can practice. A member has shown up trying to pin the hospital bombing on Israel again, even though it has been thoroughly debunked and even the muzzies have slunk away from that story now that they know they can't get away with the lie.

After the lie has been debunked, the opponent (in this case) tries to rake it up again, ignoring evidence and simply de-railing the discussion. Whether or not he himself is a jihadi is irrelevent, this is a very common jihadi pattern.

The dilemma here is that if you ignore the opponent, you have allowed him to take over a space and change the narrative for any neutral or new 3rd party obervor. For example, a new visitor to the thread will see his claims, and if no one countered it, will tend to believe that there is some truth to these claims. On the other hand, if you do counter it, as I did, it runs the risk of de railing the discussion completely, as you have to address the same issues again and again to someone who doesn't want to see the truth, for the sake of keeping the record straight.

Which brings us to the common jihadi propaganda pattern: De-railing discussions by ignoring evidence and logic. Either you counter it for pages and pages, or you ignore it and let the lie go unchecked.

I would like to hear what others think would be good counter strategies in such scenarios.

Moderation
Some guy posts a rebuttal, then you ban the the jihadi before he does "but ackshually" or "that's not evidence" or "experts say".
This is how narrative was controlled on Twitter before Elonwa made it wild west

 

[nongaddarliberal]

Go through the thread

 

[notaname]

Go through the thread

Same scenario with Instagram, you can see free Palestine in each and every post's comment section.

 

[Suryavanshi]

Same scenario with Instagram, you can see free Palestine in each and every post's comment section.

That's just Jehadis being obsessive.

 

[nongaddarliberal]

 

[nongaddarliberal]

That's just Jehadis being obsessive.

This brings us to the regular jihadi tactic of creating a false sense of outnumbering their opponents.

When they flood platforms with such messages, and there's no mass scale counter, it creates a false sense of being outnumbered for those who disagree with them. Once the average normie thinks they're outnumbered, they slink away, or even start agreeing with it just to fit in.

That's also why their mass protests in the US and Europe, if gone unchecked, will eventually demoralize and intimidate the non muslim public who are otherwise pro Israel, and definitely anti Hamas.

It is crucial that their mass mobilizations, both online and offline, have counter mass mobilizations, preferably outnumbering them, in order to not let them get away with making the general public think that there is no hope in countering them by feeling individually isolated. There have been only a handful of pro Israel marches, as opposed to massive anti Israel marches/riots that take place every other day from the jihadi side.

If normies see bigger protests favouring Israel and opposing Hamas, it creates the confidence for many more people to speak up and assert their anti Jihadi position. Silent majorities NEVER win, until they stop being silent. Being a silent majority is a sign of fear and apathy, both of which lead to eventual defeat.

 

[DingDong]

One of the greatest acts of vengeance in history is when the Persian commander, Abu Tahir al-Jannabi led the sack of Mecca.

With his 700 men, he slaughtered over 30'000 Muslims and defiled their Kaaba, broke its holy stone, and turned it into a toilet.

Tahir is quoted as tormenting the Muslims in Mecca during the attack by stating: "Since your god goes to heaven and leaves his house on earth unattended, then let his house be plundered and destroyed.’ He then went over the top of the Kaaba and said: ‘I am in God and God is in Me. Where is your God? I am your great God. Where are the birds of God (Tayr al ababeel) that protect the Kaaba? where are the stones of fire (Hijara min sejeel)?’ How was he able to kill so many with such few men? It is said that the pilgrims were convinced (and prayed instead of defending themselves) that Allah would intervene. Allah had promised to protect the Kaaba in the Quran, Sura 105:1-5 where is said the Ababeel birds Tahir mockingly mentioned are said to protect the site by dropping stones on any attackers. He pulled down the covering on the Kaaba, tore it up, and carried it off as plunder, all the while saying in mockery [quoting from the Qur’an 3. 91], ‘And he who entered it was safe’, and [106. 4], ‘He saved them from fear.’ ‘Since you had gone inside the house, why were you not safe from our swords?’ According to Nizam Al Mulk (in Siyasatnama), Tahir "broke the black Stone in two, and put the pieces on the two sides of a latrine pit; when he squatted over the pit, he put his feet one on each half of the stone; he commanded public cursing of the prophet" Tahir then brought a Zoroastrian friend named Zakir from Isfahan, to be king of the Lahsa region in Arabia. Today Islamic scholars claim that Tahir was just a discontented Muslim from another branch to save face. However, we know from prominent historians at the time like Abu al-Faraj Ibn al-Jawzi who said about Tahir and his men "that they are a group of Persian atheistic heretics who believe in the prophecy of Zarathustra and Mazdak." One factor preventing the Arabization of the areas east of Persia/Iran's core was the influence of pro-Iranian dynasties such as the Samanids, Buyyids, Ziyarids, and Saffarids. This has led to a hesitation among Arab historians to discuss these events in detail. Additionally, the Qarmatians under Tahir, who were later defeated without mercy, were unable to share their own accounts of their rebellious actions. In the end, the black stone of the Kaaba was found, dirty and in pieces but has since been put back together and placed back at the site. Muslims continue to touch and kiss the stone believing it washes away their sins.